Two (w/ Dorian Bowen)
0:00:03: It is the middle ground between light and shadow between science and superstition and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge.
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0:00:47: This is Matt here as, as far as we're recording, we're doing a twofer Dorian bones back. Hi Dorian. Uh um of course, you, you do lots of film archival stuff and uh you know, all the black and white images quite well. So back in the day, I know that we put way too much analysis on all the screwball comedies of the thirties. So, you know, no such thing as too much. Yeah. Yeah. Where is this? This one doesn't really have any screwball at all today. So we're kind of doing the opposite. It's in the wrong decade. There's nothing screwball about two, which is the first season, the first season, the first episode of season three of the Twilight Zone.
0:01:33: Um The first season I can't talk today, the first episodes of season one and two, of course, for like basically one act, One actor shows so now we're up to two.
0:01:47: Uh Yeah, I don't know what that, that it's just, it should been last season, I guess when they did that, but that's not what they did. So let me do a bit of the trivia here.
0:01:56: Original air date was September 15th, 1961.
0:02:01: This is a Montgomery Pittman Jam. He wrote and directed the thing. He also helmed some episodes of Maverick and the Riflemen Charles Bronson played man.
0:02:14: And you most likely know this man. He was a prime character actor in films such as The Magnificent Seven, The Great Escape and the Dirty dozen. And he fully Bronson out in the later death wish series, Elizabeth Montgomery played woman.
0:02:30: She was the daughter of some dude named Robert. Her career has plenty of highlights. The last one acting on Batman, the animated series of the voice acting on Batman, the animated series, but she earned her place in the zeitgeist playing Samantha Stevens on Bewitched.
0:02:47: We've got an original score for this one. Van Cleve composed this one and he also served his services for the film's Robin Robinson Caruso on Mars and White Christmas. He'd previously done a fair amount of top tier, big banging, big banding. Okay. I've had several typos in my trivia last night. I guess I was probably typing while hunched back in my chair. You know, I should check my own notes before I read them.
0:03:19: Let me bop onto the screen. The prologue. If you could give us a quick reading on that.
0:03:27: This is a jungle, a monument built by nature, honoring despues, Commemorating a few years of nature being left to its own devices. But it's another kind of jungle. The kind that comes in the aftermath of man's battles against himself. Hardly an important battle. Not a Gettysburg or a Marne or Iwo Jima. More like one significant. Oops, I'm gonna start over because I messed that up. Okay.
0:03:51: This is a jungle, a monument built by nature honoring disuse, Commemorating a few years of nature being left to its own devices.
0:03:59: But it's another kind of jungle, a kind that comes in the aftermath of man's battles against himself. Hardly an important battle, not a Gettysburg or a Marne or an Iwo Jima more like one insignificant corner patch in the crazy quilt of combat. But it was enough to end the existence of this little city.
0:04:18: It's been five years since a human being walked these streets. This is the first day of the sixth year as man used to measure time, the time, perhaps 100 years from now or sooner or perhaps it's already happened two million years ago. The place, the signposts are in English so that we might read them more easily. But the place is the Twilight Zone.
0:04:39: All right, six years in the Twilight zone. That sounds like fun.
0:04:44: So this episode for me, I guess with the the actors involved I just have like dissonance with both watching both, um, Bronson and Montgomery and this one, not, not that they're bad or anything. I'm just like Bronson. He was never that young. He's death wish four. You know, not even 12 and three. My Bronson is straight to death wish four. You know, like, like way too old to be doing that. He has that already. I mean, you see it in there. He's pretty unmistakable. He is, but it's just like him. Not actually being old is jarring for me. And then, yeah, you know Elizabeth Montgomery with dark hair also throws me off a little bit.
0:05:26: That is the thing though that happened in the late fifties. So 61 put us like about four years before being, which starts, of course, everybody knows her respond before and after. But I know for a fact that she had a brunette period because Dominick Dunne published a book in 1999 called The Way We lived then and one of Dunn's first jobs in television, he was working for Robert Montgomery for the show. He was the stage manager, Robert Montgomery presents. And so he became friends with the whole family and there are lots of photos of her as a brunette in there. Um And that's also the period where she was married to get young. So there was definitely a period of time for brunette, although it isn't what we're used to seeing her out and then she's kind of got to look, you know, like a Late 60s, like, kind of militant or something, which is kind of cool.
0:06:15: Like, this is a few years early because she's got, you know, she's got the boots but, like, well then eventually she's wearing a dress. Right. So it's just kind of an interesting precursor for look.
0:06:25: She is a soldier. I mean, it seems like she has this distinctive patch that they focus on on the back of her uniform. Um, she's got that pistol holster, which doesn't have a pistol. It has her comb and her bobby pins and her compact. But the patches sort of this like two ovals overlapping, it looks sort of like an atom.
0:06:45: So, you know, and she speaks Russian, her one word of dialogue is in Russian. So it's interesting that it's not supposed to be a particular place or time but that, you know, her, she is a Russian speaker.
0:06:58: Right. Right. So in that manual Bronson basically looks like a, Than Urban Cowboy more or less, which makes sense for 1961 television. Um, I read that the uniform that he's wearing is probably leftover uniform, um, from a confederate film. So those that sort of swirling pattern that he has on his sleeves is supposedly modeled after a Confederate uniform. Yeah, I mean, I guess they would have had to put like a lot of thought into the uniforms because they, they're just using the basic, they got two actors, they just scuffed up the back lot, a little bit. So you can really focus on like how these people are gonna look in this episode. So, whereas some episodes like, you know, put a suit on them. Right.
0:07:43: And, and that does the trick.
0:07:46: I'm trying to think of what would be the, I guess the version of this now. Well, unfortunately, the real version is now is going to be probably like a few cities in Ukraine or something. But I am thinking of the abandoned cities that, that have been only published public consciousness, which would be um Pria Pat, you know, next to Chernobyl. And uh and I think they're finally starting to kind of creep back into the coastal cities. And Fukushima, I can't off the top of my head, remember what the names were. But I did see a report like on NHK uh Japan National TV, where with people going into the old city center that has been abandoned for more than six years. It's been 12 years and you know, has a similar look to this except the signs are not in English and Japanese.
0:08:34: But I was just thinking, watch this episode. This looks really similar to the news reports of the people that went into the Fukushima towns just like, you know, a few months ago because you see pretty patties and, and that's all the like you see all the weird like kind and I should say weird, the, the unfamiliar kind of Soviet trappings. Whereas for me living in Japan so long, of course, this looks like a perfectly normal overgrown town now to America and still might look a little, a little weird, but it would, it would look closer because you've got, you know, fast food and laundromats. So, but, yeah, yeah, urban explorers. That's a big thing. You know, you'll find youtube videos of people going to like old malls or theme parks and getting blown away.
0:09:21: Oh my God, this is where the Knights and White set the trip ride used to be man. They kind of overdo it on the uh overdo it on the youtube video sometimes, but it's kind of fun. So, but this is very cost effective because they were just stomping around the the MGM back lot. So how, how did you feel about this being a pretty silent episode? Not so much as the Invaders which literally has no, well, almost no talking at all or um let's, Well, yeah, the, the King nine and where is everybody had a single actor who couldn't shut up, right? So now we have two who won't talk.
0:10:02: I liked it. I like, you know, that's, that script is a lot more complicated when you're describing the emotions and the movements of the performers as opposed to strictly dialogue. So I, I enjoyed that. I thought that was a thoughtful way to present it.
0:10:19: Yeah. And I'm also trying to think of how much post apocalyptic sort of media or especially movies we had in 1961. Um There's shape of things to come or things to come or whatever it was in the thirties, which kind of gets to that. The British production, it was 38 39 has a bit of this vibe when they show the, uh you know, the 50 years down the line city that the, the the scientists basically have to come and save is along these lines. That's interesting cause it has a lot more people in it. Um The other one that comes to mind on the beach, which I don't know if that, I think maybe in 61 day the book was out but the movie wasn't or something.
0:11:01: So it's very close in time.
0:11:03: Yeah. So and then both of them just slightly predating the Cuban missile crisis. So yeah, a different time, I guess the only thing I can think of is the time machine, but that goes much further. It goes to a different future. That's not quite what we're talking about. But when the beach is a great example, is six years in a, in a few million are definitely going to get you some different results there. But what do you have in your notes?
0:11:36: Um Let's see. Well, of course, every time there was a Marquee or a newspaper has that and I was writing that down So, you know, the movie theater marquee is advertising war news, actual films of enemy foot troops landing. And, you know, you see through the media, the sort of um the acceleration that the word of um things getting more serious. The newspaper talks about the big bomb, it talks about how it wasn't, you know, vital to evacuate the city at that point. Um, he looks at Universe magazine at some point. I love that, you know, it was very vague with the dates were and they tried to make it seem like this very universal city and then they have movie posters for furlough romance at the, at the theater.
0:12:23: Um And I this is a total aside but, you know, I think I M T V says that the person on that poster is Shirley Temple and I can kinda, but I thought they were sort of going for more kind of generic individuals like they were, you know, making this as, as, as wide as possible. Is that the right word? What am I thinking as generic as possible? That seems kind of mean. But that, that makes sense. I actually, I was, this is, this is really deep in the weeds but um themed posters at Disneyland which were originally made for, um, it was, you know, one of their Hollywood section and they had like a relatively generic um, actor America's favorite, leading man. America's favorite leading lady, but it was like, it was like advertising toilet paper, right?
0:13:12: So it was kind of a joke, but then the sponsorship ended, they took out that reference. So now you just have these baffling generic posters that don't, that don't actually make any sense. And so, you know, it's, it's like a mind paradox to think about it if you, if you don't know where they originally came from. So that's kind of fun. But another two people. So, so I guess we should talk about how, you know, it begins with just the woman and she's looking around and, you know, she seems like she's just come upon this town she's exploring, she's seeing, you know, she sees the, the dress in the window which comes back later, but then she sees that there's a restaurant goes into there and finds food and then as soon as she's trying to, you know, get some food, Bronson appears in the doorway and she immediately starts pelting him with things in defense of herself and he comes in, he smacks her on the ground, knocks her out and then, you know, takes her food, which is, uh, chicken legs in a can.
0:14:12: Have you ever seen chicken legs in a can outside of this episode?
0:14:17: Um, just yesterday. Actually, I was at the Donkey, which is a discount store in Japan and they did have Yakitori in a can. So. Okay. Well, I'm jealous. I've never seen that before and it looks, they had oysters and a can, of course. Yeah, there's, there's some weird stuff you can get in one section of that store. So, I mean, the story is not that weird but you can, you know, definitely eat some disturbing things from the sea as well. Um, There were sad little bird skeletons in the cages of that room. I thought that was very poignant. Like whether or not they got blasted with the initial, it seemed like they didn't and they just sort of died slowly in the cages. So that was, you know, necessarily tragic.
0:15:02: But, you know, they say that it's the first day of the sixth year, but the calendar that's on the wall in that first set of the restaurant is February and it's actually this, it lines up with February 2023. Did you notice that?
0:15:19: Oh, no, no, I didn't catch that. Okay. So, it was 1961 calendar, but also happens to work for 2023.
0:15:27: Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's pretty trippy. Sure. Why not?
0:15:33: Makes it very, very, real, very immediate, you know, they, they both have different uniforms. Hers has this strange little patch on the back and his has these, you know, it's clear that they were on opposite sides of whatever this, this fight was, whatever this war was was that, you know, that there's an immediate distrust they have with each other, which doesn't get better when they start fighting with each other. But you know, so what happens next? He steals her food. He goes away, he looks at this dress, he looks at the magazines and the headlines and then he sort of, you know, has more compassion for her as a female in this situation goes back, tries to revive her, dumps water on her to revive her and then offers her food. And so then it's very perplexing to her, what their relationship is because, you know, he was an enemy and then now he's helping her.
0:16:25: And so from that point on, he, she sort of trails him a little bit, like he's trying to communicate, he's trying to look and she's keeping a few steps behind because she doesn't quite know whether she can trust him. But you see the loneliness that they both have and how they are looking for a connection, but they're just so unsure if they can trust each other because they don't speak the same language and they, you know, their enemies.
0:16:51: It's like when you hear about them finding, you know, like Japanese pilots had been on like an island for 20 years after World War II and like, didn't know the war was over, you know, that kind of mindset. So, I mean, how, that's the thing. It's like, well, I was told to go point a gun at this person and shoot at them. It's been so long, it doesn't seem to matter anymore. But I feel like that's still my last standing order. So do I do that. And then when, after he revives her and there's, he's trying to, you know, he tries to initiate communication with her. He's like, we don't have to be anyway anymore. Like whatever was then is not now. And he says the line, there are no more boundaries, governments or noble causes. And that's really sad.
0:17:36: But, you know, they find themselves in, you know, without anyone else and all of that has fallen away and they're just two individuals that are sort of lost in this, this abyss with the amount of detail on this episode, they're still surrounded by the propaganda. So whoever city this is especially, I mean, we don't know if it is Bronson's home side or, um, Montgomery's right, man or woman's hometown. It's like, is, would the propaganda still affect you if you're surrounded by it or does it look that stupid? Now? It's, you know, well, when she, so that, then there's the scene where they're in the swan where they're cleaning up and he's shaving and he throws her a towel when she starts to wash up. And then when, you know, she sees that dress and he's trying to, you know, make this gesture and he's like, here, take the stress, this can be yours now.
0:18:29: And she goes into change. And that's when she sees all the propaganda in that, that office, it's the recruitment office. That's where all that propaganda remains. And so, and then she sort of gets worked up and then he's just minding his own business waiting for her to change into the dress and he, she comes out with a gun and she shoots him with whatever that laser gun effect was. It's not quite a bullet. It's just sort of zaps him and then, you know, again disrupts the trust that they were building.
0:18:56: Yeah. I mean, I just, when I was watching my note is like, well, certainly the propaganda is not wearing her down this far into the apocalypse. But I guess it is. It's like, oh, I remember my original mission now, which just seems a little silly at this point. So, when I was a trigger I thought it was that she was in the enemy land, I thought those were, you know, I think she was seeing those posters and saying, oh, well, that's his job. He's, he's here and he's this destructive for. It's hard to know whose home it is. And that's another element that makes it, you know, interesting because there's not like one home, home team and they're both sort of alien in this world. He's there to recruit people that show up just in case anyone shows up.
0:19:42: He's got, he's got lots of good plan for you. So, the ending of this one is mildly, I don't know. How do we feel about the ending of this one? It seems that they're just coming up. I guess we're hooking up now, it's sort of this volley of trust the whole time. And so she shoots him, he goes away and then she feels bad about it. She sort of sits on the ground and sort of like, well, now what I do, what do I do now? I sort of got rid of my only friend and then she makes the gesture to come and find him. So she comes with a vehicle and she comes dressed in that dress with all the guns around, which I love that look, you know, it's like a western look of like the sort of tattered dress. But, you know, she's accepting of that gift. She brings him the vehicle to share and he seemed to find some sort of home or, you know, it's hard to, I think there was a sign outside.
0:20:36: I don't remember what it was, but he found food and he found a suit that he was wearing. So he, you know, foraged for food and supplies. And then, um, and that seems to be like the, the olive branch is her bringing that and saying, and coming back and saying like, hey, maybe we can do this together nonverbally, of course. But so, you know, and then it ends with, this has been a love story about two lonely people who found each other in the Twilight zone. So it's a, it's a little fast. It goes through a lot of stages and that distrust doesn't seem like it's just automatically done, but there is sort of this nice volley between them and it seems like that final gesture of hers coming back to him is the one that says, alright, maybe we can, maybe we can move along together and maybe this is the beginning of time when we don't have to be alone anymore.
0:21:30: Yeah, I, I don't know if we had, maybe one of them should have been horribly ugly. We see how that works out because she's kind of like Shay Guevara's manic pixie dream girl. And you know, a younger brown says at least ruggedly handsome. So that's true. They could have done it. They could have done like the Enchanted cottage cottage where the people are only beauty beautiful in the eyes of each other and not really, you know, objectively beautiful in the world or handsome and rugged in the world. But that's another thing is her one word is, I don't know if I can pronounce it properly. It's Russian and it is Pro Ski or pro Krantz. I'm not, I saw, I saw you put it in writing. I was like perfectly happy not to trust it.
0:22:17: We could just put it in the description. But that, that Russian word is the one that she uses to describe the dress. And at the end it's the one that he says to her when she's wearing the dress. So I think that's another part of you know, the ceiling of the relationship, or at least the potential of the relationship is that, you know, they're both making these sort of tentative steps forward, you know, being a companion to one another. So, I think that even though she only has one word of dialogue, the fact that that's repeated back to her and that he's able to pick up that, that is one thing that he knows she'll understand. I think that's a kind of poignant and sweet way to, to end it.
0:22:54: Yeah, for sure. Um, I guess I'll start doing a few of the questions here. The first of course, being who exactly in this episode into the Twilight Zone, you only get two choices.
0:23:08: Um, I'm gonna say the birds on this one. I think they went to the twilight zone. Their, their skeletons remain in the cages. But, you know, I just got a Twitter thread or something and if people just suddenly disappear, I think it's just 10 days for all the domesticated animals to be dead. So, Six years and 10 days and then six, less than six years, that's perfectly enough time to become a little bird skeleton. It absolutely is. Yeah. I mean, I don't think either of them are there. They're in like, again, this is, there aren't supernatural element to this one. This is all man made destruction. So I don't think of it as particularly trippy on the tripping leader.
0:23:56: I think of it. As just sort of this cautionary tale that is very grounded in reality and things we have seen and things that we hopefully won't ever see.
0:24:05: Yeah, I guess we're jumping around. We give a, we can think about the trip Amir. Now that's been evoked. Um, I actually, yeah, I was thinking, what do I want to give this? Because, like you said, there's nothing supernatural, there's nothing particularly trippy would just be like the propaganda posters and the, the weird little newspaper headlines, which that's enough for me to give it a two, I guess. But yeah, um, the recruitment sign on the outside of the recruitment office, by the way, the place where she goes to change into the dress but doesn't, does have a sign that says men and women of all ages were wanted for the, for the war effort. So everybody, yeah, all ages also. How could you not give the episode? Two or two? I mean, you don't have to. I was just like, I wonder if that's why I was going with that.
0:24:51: Maybe that's it.
0:24:54: So, I, now that we're like tangling the questions, but I guess we're going to go on the page that nobody went into the twilight zone except the birds. Is that what is that where we're landing? That's my answer. Yeah, I think, you know, none of the characters that we're visiting with our there. It's sort of, the rest of the world has left them. Behind.
0:25:16: Exactly. Well, or the rest of the world has passed away. So, um, it's, it's very like we don't really know what they've been up to for those six years. Have they actually just been by themselves for how long? Two years? Three years, all six of them. I mean, it's kind of hard to figure out like, you know, I, both of them were clearly in the military.
0:25:38: It's unclear if this is just a town they're traveling through. I mean, this could be one small stop on a six year walkabout of the destroyed areas. So, you know, the fact that they just took for granted that that water was okay to use or, I mean, the sealed food, I kind of understand that part but you know, that, that the water thing kind of trips me out. Like what, you know, is that safe? Like, would you put that on your face? Like what, I guess that's what it comes down to, I guess that's a good point.
0:26:10: Yeah. So sometimes with the Twilight zone, some like, you know, Part of the fun is that you do just get this 25 minute window, but at the same time, you're missing a lot of context as to My normal question to which is now question three, which is, do they deserve their trip?
0:26:30: I guess they're not going through the Twilight zone. But I feel like we have to focus on, on them for do, do they deserve his experience.
0:26:40: I guess it's sort of like, you know, with the absolute man, like their experience has been thrust upon them. So I think the question is like, have they done a good job with what they've been handed? And I think that the fact that they went from being two individuals to, you know, finding a sense of humanity and each other makes it a positive story for me to head cannon this a bit. Hell, you know what we could just like, let's go ahead and just Head Canon is a straight up sequel to The Obsolete Man. And that both of these were the brown shirt growling people from the Obsolete Man. They went to war and now we're six years down the line, you know, and you start at this point, they're finally becoming a little bit more deprogrammed because um her, especially like you said, she's in the recruitment office.
0:27:32: She sees the propaganda and it doesn't matter if it's the enemy side or her side, it's, it's still causing an effect on her. There's still like, that's like the last little amount of brainwashing that she has to like overcome in the situation, you know, and uh takes a few shots before for doing that.
0:27:49: Well, it's fear. I mean, I guess it could be brainwashing, but the fear is real. That's very visceral. So, I mean, we don't know who was on what side. So like to me, it was you know, her fear was that he was just waiting for the right moment to destroy her and that's where her sort of impulsive, like, like offense came from and scaring him off. So, but there's more confusion on her side than there was on his side. And I wonder if that has to do with the language barrier here because he's talking a lot more, he's trying to communicate with her and she's reluctant to speak and then it seems like maybe she doesn't because she doesn't have the tools to, to communicate with him. And that's what makes it such an interesting story of the nonverbal communication.
0:28:38: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Um I am wondering like with this and, and also that was a genius in the prologue just to be like, hey, maybe the signs aren't in English, you know, so we really don't know whose talent because they suggest that you're not actually seeing the correct language on the signs and the prologue, you know, so that, that is a nice way to really just make it a little bit confusing. So, I mean, hey, it could have been a civil war. Could both be there town for all. Well, okay, the language gap would be a problem there. But No, that's a good point though. Yeah, actually I'm gonna go ahead and say it probably is a two political entity situation and not necessary civil war because that would make less sense. But that can happen in some places for sure.
0:29:23: So again, they don't, I guess that's the part of where you don't know where this is either. So, yeah, I don't, is this a proper Twilight Zone episode? There's nothing trippy. We have a writer and director who is, is not a regular, it does feel like now this is of course produced for the Twilight Zone and everything. But, um, in season five, we're gonna grab a French production for occurrence at Owl Creek. And this almost kind of feels like a similar vibe where it's just uh coming from somewhere else. Like it's, it's a little too sci fi for saying Alfred Hitchcock presents or something. But yeah, well, if the last episode was in June and this one is in September, that's not a ton of space in between.
0:30:10: So maybe like Sterling just wanted another episode off, like to extend his summer and then he like, he's gonna come back, you know, maybe it's like a guest star, guest starring. Yeah.
0:30:22: You know, we do have three or four other regular writers for the Twilight Zone and this is not one of them, which makes this a, just a bit of an anomaly, I mean, which is an interesting thing to look and an interesting way to start your seasons.
0:30:35: Yeah, this should have been season episode two. Honestly, I don't know. I besides just the, yeah, episode two should be two. I do wonder if the arrival, which I've already done the podcast on Would make a more sensible season opener. But I guess nobody cares what opens the season in 1961. That much. So, probably by the third season, I mean, maybe this was the great, this was the right opportunity to, to throw something else in there because they're following was, was so consistent by, by then to have to salads. And these are long seasons, 29 episodes season for the second one. And I can't remember how many were in the first one, but this is in the days when seasons were not 10 episodes, they were, you know, a lot of work.
0:31:21: So not that 10 episodes can't be a lot of work. But you know what I mean? Like that was just a different standard of how many episodes would be making up the season in early television versus now and certainly was definitely getting run down by season three. So he was very overworked. I think, I think this is about the point where he spent most of his time on the east coast teaching writing classes and, uh, you know, screaming scripts into a dictaphone and then just flying to the West shooting a bunch of intros and going back to the east coast. So, hmm, that's interesting that, that might have more of an influence, um, than I, I thought to research outside of the episode itself.
0:32:03: Um, did you have any other big notes on, on your papers.
0:32:08: Let's see. Um, I'm just going to mention that, you know, this is neither here nor there, but Montgomery did get top billing. Um, and then Bronson got the, and which we only have two people. You can have one get top billing and one at the end. So it worked out perfectly. But, you know, in terms of where they were in their careers, um, you know, Bronson had a longer career because he had a longer life by about 20 years. But, um, you know, this was, this was about a decade into her career. So I thought that was interesting that she got that billing and then as we discussed in a couple more years than she would be on Bewitched. And that would, that would be what she would ultimately be probably most known for these days is definitely one of the more like star struck Twilight Zone episodes.
0:32:53: Not, not as much as like, oh, that's a Shatner episode. But yeah, it's definitely, there's, there's two actors, we definitely know in this one. Well, at least film geeks. No, I think everyone knows Charles Brown and people know, but which so that people know him. But I don't know if you just shouted, Elizabeth Montgomery has someone on the street, they pick up on it. But if you show them a picture for which they'd get it, you know. Yeah, I think that that's, that's one of the fun things about this episode is saying to people that you do not see together in any other situation and in this story in this time. So, yeah, it was a fun episode and, yeah.
0:33:32: Alright. Well, anyway, I guess I'll bring it to an end then and, uh, tell the listeners it's time enough podcast on Twitter and Facebook and you couldn't support us, uh, at our Patreon podcast, your podcast is where you get episodes early. I started doing occasional chats here and there with, with some folks there. And you can also, here are other podcasts such as Matt Luke Sci Fi Sanctuary.
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0:34:22: Okay. Well, I'm gonna go bop around the town and see if I find anybody. There's got to be at least one person out there.
0:35:12: Help two.
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