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0:00:40: Hello! Welcome to Time enough podcast. It's where we dive into episodes of the Twilight Zone and beyond. This is matt here joining me today for mission log is charlotte Schmidt. Hi Shar, how are you? Hey, I'm good. Thanks for having me back. Yeah, yeah, of course. That's like I often say, I want that kind of conversation and all the mission lockers are pretty happy to come and make it happen here. So happy to help. Yes.

0:01:11: Uh, what we're looking at today is an episode called The Prime Mover. So I will go ahead and do a bit of trivia on that one. Uh the original air date here was March 24th, 1961.

0:01:25: Script is by Charles Beaumont though, it comes from an uncredited story by George Clayton johnson who also writes episodes of the Twilight Zone. So I'm guessing lawyers have something to do with that.

0:01:37: Uh, this episode was directed by Richard Albert, besides his prolific directing credits in the Twilight Zone. He also helmed most of the series Green Acres, which doesn't really feel like the twilight zone most of the time, but no, those are very different shows, but good on him.

0:01:54: Speaking of another very different show, Jimbo Cobb was played by Buddy Ebsen throw in some white dyeing his hair and a mustache and you've got jed Clampett from the Beverly hillbillies. Oh no kidding. That's him. That's him, wow, Okay. That's a mind blower. Yeah, it's amazing what a mustache will do. You can see it in his eyes though. And also he comes across as too smart in this episode I guess. But yeah, yeah, he's the quiet type. Those are the ones you have to look out for. That's right. Dane Clark was aced Larson with his average man features. He was often 2nd, 3rd, 4th build and Warner brother war films like destination Tokyo and action in the north atlantic Kristine white was kitty Kavanaugh while she only has a few professional credits, one of those will be a notable return to the Zone and Nightmare at 20,000 ft.

0:02:49: Yeah, I think that's a good one. Yeah, that's one of our Shatner ones. Okay. Okay. That's why.

0:02:57: Yeah. Sheila is played by jane burgers but that's about all the info I could muster for her, but she's in this episode. Enough. I can't just ignore her. So there's, there's a name.

0:03:08: Yeah, the crash scene we see near the beginning repurchases video from the 1958 film. Nightmare Alley, which I believe was remade earlier or last year.

0:03:22: Uh, if you actually, that, that was funny because I went to see Nightmare Alley. Um, I guess it was March was playing in Japan and I totally thought I was going to see last night in Soho. So I was kind of like slightly confused. I mean both movies are good. But uh, yeah, I just totally went into thinking I was going to be seeing a different movie so Well at least your expectations were just shot right out of the gate right? Yeah, yeah. Um I guess I'll just throw it out and say do you have any first impressions you want, you want to give it on this one? I have a thought but I'll maybe leave that for a second. Okay, well very first thought when I saw the episode title, the prime mover coming from a 21st century context, I was thinking prime mover that sounds like an Amazon promotion or something.

0:04:07: Yeah, Prime movers you get your delivery in two hours or less, something like that.

0:04:14: Anyway, overall impressions of the episode though. I liked it. It was fun to watch. It was entertaining. These actors do a fantastic job in their roles. But man, I do not want to really know any of these people except for Jimbo.

0:04:31: Right? And that's I guess that leads to my thought a little bit, which is um I feel like this is how you have to do with great power comes great responsibility story when when you don't know who Spider man is like that's kind of the flow of this. Like he's got the power and he's, you know, ends up realizing he's using in a stupid way and basically corrupting his friend who's easily corrupted to be fair, but well yeah, I mean really who's doing the corrupting here? Like I don't feel like, I feel like Jimbo is being used and abused hard by but to a certain extent that's I guess where the great responsibility comes in, right? So you have to sort of firewall yourself from being used that way if you have that kind of power. So this is true. I was waiting for a moment when Jimbo either would push back and say enough or toward the end where we know we're going to hit like the climax of the story. I thought this is where Jimbo is going to fail him on purpose and that's not how it turned out, but close, I was really hoping that he would be the moral center of the story and I didn't completely come through.

0:05:41: Well yeah, I mean Ace came very close to having what one sees in Vegas and you know, role in the roles very close to having joe Pesci and Ray Liotta come and remove all of his teeth, you know, something like that, you know, of course we're seeing like weird fake Vegas, you know, recreated in like north Hollywood or whatever here. So um but it's kind of weird, we had the same problem when we did the episodes of Fever, which I think features the same slot machine though it was talking and walking in the fever and murdering people. That was cool. Here's just a slot machine. But yeah, there's a weird disconnect between like our thoughts of what Vegas used to be what it is now and what we're seeing on this episode's budget. So the three edge sword right there.

0:06:32: Yeah, I think the last episode in Vegas maybe like um made a bit of a bum move by focusing on slot machines because it was difficult to get those in California in 1960. So they really had to like there was some weird roundabout way they had to do it and here they focus on the card games. I think it looks a little more legit. Um I think even in Vegas a lot more than I have so any any thoughts on that? Not a ton. And actually that raised a question was like where do I, I didn't know and I didn't take the time to look up but apparently gambling was legal in Vegas in the 19 sixties, but apparently maybe in California, it was not that assumption. So even with the prop machines apparently there was some kind of issue with that. Yeah, I can see that happening entirely. Like the props made that were not functional so they cannot be used for gambling or something right now as for Vegas I have gone to star trek, Las Vegas a few times but that's a fairly limited experience.

0:07:38: Like I've never really gone to just like be in the city and see the sights and walk up and down the strip like that is not my style. I really don't like Vegas very much. I'm not a gambler, it's not my kind of town. So when I go I go straight to the hotel, wherever the convention is, it's usually the Rio and I stay there until it's time to leave. So that's what I see in Vegas. Okay, I've only had one night in Vegas in my life, which I think I also explained in that fever episode but basically got bored gambling within five minutes and but I decided to spend the rest of my gambling money on martinis. But my whole, yeah and then my purpose for being in Vegas that there was no convention but it was 2003 and star trek, the experience was still there. So that was actually that was actually my main reason for being because we could have gone south through L.A. And I was like we were going from, I was in san Francisco to uh Prescott Arizona. Prescott Arizona.

0:08:40: So it was like we could dive down through L.A. Or take a north edge through Vegas and I was like I want to go to Star trek the experience. So we did the north path.

0:08:48: Nice. So you got to go, you're so lucky right right then I didn't do the voyage of the board one later, it was still the classic cling on one. But hey that's what I wanted anyway, so nice. I was unfortunately way too poor in college to go to star trek the experience when it was active, I never got to go. I think I regret that now. I think this was a hemorrhaging money sort of trip anyway so might as well then. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Um but So the thing that did kind of fit I guess with, you know I'm from the redneck deep south. So some of my first jobs were teaching environmental education like out in the boonies of like South Carolina or whatever. So and I do remember this is again around 2002 I was making the money for that trip I guess. But yeah they would have gambling is not like straight up legal in south Carolina I believe. But the convenience stores do have like a couple of slot machines or like darts or whatever so there's some kind of loophole and I did see you know like rednecks like addicted to these machines a little bit like a sigh.

0:09:55: Guess ace being at least a little cooler as he's not, you know um falling, laying over the seat morbidly obese that sort of thing. But sure but it did strike me that yeah he is a little addicted to gambling and I didn't know if it was just straight up addiction or if it was out of that desperation to hit the jackpot and have the money to get married to kitty and have a nice life.

0:10:21: Yeah, it's like kitty is definitely not into this from the start. So I'm like what is no. And she's had her wages not paid for three months, right? Yeah, it's way past. Okay. One not know, get a different job and to this guy, if you love him, I understand just like, no, this is not working out. This is not a good situation, sweetie.

0:10:48: You know, people can can really get along and still be toxic for each other. So that it's like absolutely, they have the oh, everything's all groovy in the end or whatever, the happy ending. But you're like, as usual with most movies or media, it's like what happens a month down the line? You know, you don't get to just throw in a fairytale happy ever after. You know, for No, I think they had a very long but unhappy marriage, a couple of kids. It was dysfunctional. Nobody had a good time and that was their life the end and he eventually lost his teeth to joe pesci I guess that's didn't happen this episode. What's going to happen?

0:11:26: That's the highlight of his life.

0:11:29: Um I did find it funny that they had to splice in the the car accident, but I think it worked. I didn't like I wasn't like I think what I saw it, I was like, it doesn't look like they filmed it for this, but you know, it was it was Yeah, but being what it was. It's that was fine. Like on a studio budget and that day I mean makes perfect sense. Go for it. So we don't get Spiderman yet. But they do I guess um predicted jean gray from the X men a little bit as um as Jimbo has his sort of telekinesis in which I guess yeah I guess forties horror films would have things like that. So it's not necessarily something we would have first seen in the twilight zone, you know like mentalists or something you would have seen in earlier movies. Um But it does seem like this guy is kind of a straight up you know marvel comic style mutant.

0:12:24: And I get the impression that he has intentionally turned it off for a long time so he can control it at will. Which I found interesting. Yeah and I do remember like in early X men comics it's sort of the same thing where um it's like a lot of physical extra extra exertion. Excuse me make up a new word, their physical exertion. Like I think that's kind of cool because they make a big deal out of that in the early X men comics that jean gray can you know, only do so much before basically passing out or something and until they just decide to overpower, you know. Yeah. Maker Maker, I was kind of wondering if that's where the story was going to head was was Jimbo going to die from just over exerting himself and maybe a c gets that million dollars. But at that cost, that would have been another. That would have been much more depressing.

0:13:19: Very depressing. Yes. But would he have learned a lesson?

0:13:25: It wouldn't it wouldn't have been a great power, great responsibility one in that case. So like, I don't know. Yeah, like you said, the only person who like here's Jimbo and I kind of, I kind of feel like that's the main character when I was doing the trivia with the wiki, but the absence as Jimbo is listed second. I was like, I feel like he is kind, I'm always the title character of the episode, but I feel like that's actually more of our viewpoint. Um you know, Aces were just seeing his fever dream and his obsession or less. We're actually, we're getting actual character out of Jimbo. Jimbo is the actual hero here. Ace is not a likable guy, I don't want him to win.

0:14:09: Maybe he's um well I I of course the character is nicer than that, but I guess he's kind of keep making spiderman comparisons. He'd be like, you know, ned and the recent movies to uh to jim Bose uh superhero.

0:14:24: Maybe. So, maybe. So I just, yeah, I don't know, Ace, He's such a dick. I'm sorry. There's no other better way to put, he doesn't treat anybody well, he's like using and abusing kitty. As soon as he figures out that Jimbo has these powers. It's an immediate, oh, what can it do for me? Let's go to Vegas, we're gonna get lots of money and even when his friend has a freaking headache and just needs to sleep, he's like, no, no, no, keep going, keep going. And I just wanted to slap him silly. Well here I'll put a bit of a different writers had because you were mentioning what if he had just like killed himself from the exertion and um he's, he's only flipping cards and dice, right? Uh not that hard, but I wonder as a story point if there had been, I don't know, just something horribly went wrong in Vegas, you know like there's a do have earthquakes there, I don't know. But like the wall starts like it just like he actually has to have a superhero moment where he has to use his power to save a life or something and now he can no longer control the uh the dice.

0:15:29: Oh, that could have been interesting or like with the great power and great responsibility thing where if you have to do something that drastic, that's basically like you can do that, but at the expense of your own life.

0:15:44: Yeah, yeah, something like that. And then Aces, you know, it's a little more like, oh, I suddenly don't have this support anymore because we're talking Jimbo is generally pretty cool, but he is, he is using a bit of duplicity as he never lost his power, He's just saying he can't do it anymore, basically. He's so he is making a choice. Uh what I just suggest it would be like some kind of event happening, which so there's no choice. So maybe it is good that Jimbo has to make the choice to stop doing this.

0:16:14: Maybe so, because really he should have put his foot down a long time ago. But yeah, I I do wonder if yeah, maybe we could have had a much more like higher stakes kind of ending where say Jimbo does lose his powers and it's right at that moment where race is about to just absolutely when it all, but like they're not exactly in the same room as the boys. He has to come back and then then it all goes straight to hell and maybe he's in some really hot water because he doesn't have all the money. Like maybe he's gone way too high for his steaks or something like that and then he's gonna lose it all and then some and he'd be in hot water that could be kind of fun facing the mob. Yeah, I thought this was a fun crew of Gangsters that show up in the in the later scenes there. So I find it interesting that they don't eat.

0:17:11: No, no help, doesn't eat right? They do not. They just smoke all day. I guess, maybe they're worried that the food's poisoned, you know, I don't know how maybe that's all the food they get is they have to test the food first for the kingpin gets it. I just with a little bit when one of them said code of honor of course. So right there that means a whole different thing to us.

0:17:38: Trekkie says there's some dangerous words to say. Yeah they spark feeling it's like a trigger.

0:17:45: You know I'm thinking the other big character here that we haven't talked about is just as horrible as a C. Is Sheila who is the the trophy I mean Yeah. Yeah the trophy wife slash she's looking for a sugar daddy. Right. Exactly. So um and she is one of the four stars here. So I don't know I guess he just needs the window dressing is is basically the the point of her. And then of course as soon as there's a problem you know she goes running in the other. She jumped ship. I found that hilarious because at first I thought oh these two deserve each other and it's gonna end very badly for them. But she does jump ship the moment things go not so great. Which okay yeah that that that tracks and I think she's just saying we saw a very similar character a few weeks ago in a most unusual camera where her men die and she's like well I've got a pile of money.

0:18:44: Yeah it was interesting how very quickly Ace pivoted kitty walks away finally and good for her, good for her. Finally. I was waiting for that, hoping for that.

0:18:56: And then the first woman he sees. Boom. Hey, how about you? How about you? I think. Yeah, he's looking for something pretty to hang on to for a little bit. Make himself feel good for the cigarette lady. Right? Yeah, that's that's like a that's like a Manson move. I mean that's what Charles Manson was doing the sixties, finding people who looked a little bit like desperate or something and then using that. Yeah. Yeah. So um so okay, what are we saying about Ace right now that he's possibly somewhat unhinged.

0:19:31: Okay, so he could have been a serial killer if he'd done some LSD and lived out in Death valley. Yeah, he is a master manipulator that has no end game or no purpose to his manipulations. So that's a really good point. Like Yeah, he has no end to this. His greed just keeps escalating.

0:19:50: So he could have like a gangster posse if he he keeps playing this game I guess is my main thing. So it is nice that Ace at least is able to see enough to take a few steps back again. Which is not always the case in the twilight zone. If we do have to give them the positive, he he recognizes it before things get, you know completely go right. Exactly. So and somehow he gets kitty to marry him. Oh honey, why don't do it. She's got time to get some cold feet still.

0:20:22: I sure hope so.

0:20:25: Um, this is something you might, I, I know you're not as familiar with the episodes as the guy that's watching them sequentially every week in particular. But uh, unfortunately I'm not the music stock, but it is used from last season's episode, the four of us are dying, which has kind of that jazzy stuff playing as he's going through the city streets. But I thought it was a nice repurposing here. So just for another trek connection that's jerry Goldsmith score being reused here but not written for this.

0:20:53: Hey, cool. Or at least some of the music is that jazzy theme is, is right out of an episode he did the score for. So, um, I, I do find the creative, just how they have to creatively soundtrack in a 1961 budget. Kind of interesting.

0:21:13: Did you catch the strings that were lifting the bed up?

0:21:17: Oh, maybe I didn't Okay on each side. I saw them like that's cute. I mean cheap special effects. They did what they could at the time. Not knocking it. I'm just observing. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We did the episode a few weeks with the invaders, fantastic episode, but has like the dirtiest looking spaceman. Like it looks like, you know, of a plush thing you get out of a claw machine or something. So not, sorry, not the toy story that makes it sound like the Toy Story, it's not that it's like a silver space suit, but it's that level of goofy looking.

0:21:52: It was cheaply made and you can tell Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's it's it's a weird thing for that particular episode because it's like, everything about that episode is tense and serious and then there's just like this derby looking spaceman who is shooting at the woman and she's getting radiation burns and that's pretty creepy. But yeah, yeah, I love it after seeing that my point is after seeing that a few strings hanging from bed isn't like the worst thing.

0:22:19: Oh no. And they did do their best to try and mask it. I mean, it's very subtle, but it's there if you're looking um I'm gonna get to the questions I generally ask of everyone in the, well I always ask of every one of these episodes, but is there anything else in, in your notes you want to throw out?

0:22:40: Well, I do have a question to pose to you and the audience did Ace actually learn anything from all of this?

0:22:49: That's I guess that's why I was saying earlier, like one month later, what, what are we going to see?

0:22:54: It just seems like he's trying to sweep it under the rug and go on as if none of it had ever happened.

0:23:01: Yeah, he does get rid of the machine. Um it's gonna be difficult to get rid of that again. Um and it's good to get rid of that machine because as twilight zone fans know it'll eventually chase you out of a window. So so he dodged a bullet there. Yeah, so I mean I guess he made that step, but maybe he finds another machine next month or goes to the diner down the way, right? So I don't know what happens the next time he goes to Vegas. Yeah, I guess the thing is kitty hooking up with Shatner, which I don't know if it's better or worse, but yeah, I've seen clips of Shatner on the Twilight zone. I'm not sure if that's a better choice for her.

0:23:43: Fantastic twilight zone to be sure. But yeah, shatters amazing in it.

0:23:50: Um Well let's go ahead and get did you have a, sorry, I answered your question, Did you want to answer your question? I think I have to lean more on the side of no overall like Yeah, he did make a couple of small changes, but really I think if he could do it all over again with a different outcome, he would still like a course scumbag is is you're taking yeah, he's still an opportunistic scumbag. Okay, let's let's consider who exactly in this episode went into or through the twilight zone. Um I mean we have Aces who did or didn't learn his lesson, but he is getting a weird trip. I guess he's definitely on the biggest trip of all I think because Jimbo knows about his powers. This is a new thing for a, so he's definitely like cliff diving into the twilight zone, right? Which sort of brings me to Jimbo because I guess he didn't go through the twilight zone because he's just where he always was.

0:24:52: Exactly. That's my thought too.

0:24:55: But this is him making his powers known because it's, it seems like since he was eight years old or whatever, he says, he's been keeping it to himself. So he, he is changing his life a little bit by outing himself.

0:25:09: I yeah, I suppose so, yeah, I mean that's a small thing, but is that going into the twilight zone?

0:25:16: Yeah, maybe he's like having a, you know, a philosophical thought with himself in the twilight zone. He's already in there anyway. Like he lives there. But uh, at least that part of him does. Sure I did like his, like his little tell of, I thought everybody could do this and then I discovered that you can't and so then I kind of stopped.

0:25:40: Yeah. So he's always had that feeling probably of being a little different. Um, which I mean that's, that's a universal thing. I'm sure there's something that most of us kind of can do that were like, other people can't do that. Um, I, I buy, you know, I trade or whatever. Anyway, I'd like to flip guitars a lot and I got one recently. It's, it's the ever heard of a dobro and um, oh yes dobro is you tune it open and you know, you play and use the metal slide you put in your lap. I'm like, it's so easy. Everyone can do this. And so far no one else seems to be able to do it. I guess most people don't know what a dobro is. Right, right. Like, I don't think it's a very common instrument. Is it not that common? But you know, it's like, I'm just throwing in people's laps. So there's nothing to this just, and then play some blues riff or something and then they're like, I don't know what I'm doing. Like to me, I can't compute it doesn't, yeah, there's just all in here and it's really hard to explain.

0:26:41: Yeah, yeah. So yeah, some things are just like that And in that one just being like, I'm bringing it up because it's an instrument I had not previously touched, right? So it's real close to guitar, but it's a little different. So this is like riding a bike, which I didn't learn to do till I was 26. So no kidding.

0:27:01: I learned to do it. Um, living in Japan being single at the time, I need a bike.

0:27:08: I got a bus driver's license when I was 21. So I learned to drive a bus before I learned to ride a bike, Wow, that's pretty cool. Again. We all have these little fun facts. Um, my life in general, like, you know, it's I guess weird to some people, you know, I buggered off to Japan and never came back, right? That's kind of a strange, like, that's what we do, right? That's how life goes. So, so it sounds silly when Jimbo says that at first, but then when you think about your own life, well I have plenty, everyone has all these bizarre quirks that seemed perfectly normal to to ourselves, but would be kind of weird when airing them out. I don't have telekinesis I believe, but um or maybe I don't believe hard enough, maybe out of practice.

0:27:53: Practice, That's right.

0:27:55: It just doesn't work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've I've really tried to telekinesis, telepathy, all of that. I would love to be able to read minds sometimes.

0:28:04: It's just never happened for me.

0:28:07: Well I, I was saying, you know, I teach so much that I, a lot of times I like, no, I'll ask a kid a question or whatever and I know their answer before they say that's experience of course, but it starts to feel like mind reading some time, which is exciting, right? Just because well is it deja vu where you've had this moment before and here it is. Again, it's more like probably the kid because I'll usually make them ask me a question and ask it back. So they probably one done it before and I just kind of like in the back of my mind remember, or just, you know, in Japan, a lot of kids, like want to give the standard answer and you start to know what the standard answer is. Like, what's your favorite food? It's gonna be sushi. It's very rare. You hear anyone say anything but sushi so interesting. That's like, that's like the standard answer. So you know, you must like sushi in Japan. Huh?

0:29:01: Yeah, basically I've met japanese people who don't like sushi, but yeah, it's generally like, actually my wife didn't like salmon, which is, she'll eat it though. So I guess it's different. Yeah, I mean I shouldn't say anything. I'm super picky.

0:29:17: We went to a restaurant yesterday and my wife's like telling the ways to have, oh yeah, they don't, don't give him anything with broccoli or mushrooms because it's, they just, it's this fringe place and just kind of, you know, you just order the thing and you get what you get. So, which is kind of exciting. I like, she was surprised. I like that place because that's, I'm usually into like ramen or something. But yeah, no, I like, I like the fact that, I don't know, I'm going to get when I walk in the door. So because most restaurants, I do interesting. So it's a surprise. Yeah. How much contact would you say kitty has with the twilight zone, I think she dipped her toes, but backed away. Okay, because I feel like, I feel like Sheila never quite got it, you know, now she's kind of like in her own other little world here, it's not the twilight zone. It's something else I can't remember. Is she made aware that there's any that Jimbo has powers. I, I don't think she's completely privy to that. No.

0:30:17: Yeah. So she's just having a weird running in Vegas. As you know what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. She almost got swept off her feet by a rich guy. Yeah. Yeah. So I think we could say she has no contact and Kitty just observes that something strange is going on. And then of course she's knowledgeable about the more of the details. So, but it's not actively involved. Um, so I guess my next question is going to focus on, on Jimbo and ace then, uh, do they deserve their trip through the twilight zone?

0:30:51: Oh, that's a really tough one.

0:30:55: I want to say a space didn't deserve it, but he didn't really gain a whole lot, but he also didn't learn a whole lot. So I feel like this kind of cancels it all out. This is just a dead zero. So you need something horrible to happen to him in the end.

0:31:11: I, yeah, I really was hoping for that. You can call me a sadist if you want, but I really wanted a stew suffer.

0:31:19: And then poor Jimbo, I think all, he really got out of, it was headaches exhaustion and then, yeah, and and he's got his, his, you know, like Peter parker light moment. So right. So I mean he kind of comes out of it unharmed in the long run I guess.

0:31:42: I wonder if he like actually, you know, again the month later, maybe after a bit, Jimbo is like, hey, what could I actually do with this? You know, again kind of presaging the whole, the whole X men thing. The more I see, that's weird, the more I talk about this episode, I'm like, hey this, this is more, this is kind of like kind of a, that kind of story just with no context because that stuff doesn't exist yet.

0:32:07: Yeah, I want to see the sequel to this where Jimbo learns how to rein in these powers and use them for powers of good and does not tell Ace Jimbo moves on in life and is successful and has a good time and then pour Aces, just gonna run that little diner. Uh what was it? The Happy days cafe with Kitty forever. Yeah, that's, that's why I want, I want to retrofit this just with the one final scene where we have a Professor Xavier rolling up. It could be like a 20 year old Patrick Stewart. That'd be fun awesome. Yes.

0:32:43: With their doing his James Mcavoy thing.

0:32:48: Yeah, I love that old photos of him like or even dune, You're just like what hair? I'm confused. I had to do a double take when I saw that. I did not know he was in that film and the first time I watched it just Oh, that's Sir Patrick Stewart.

0:33:05: Yeah, because I think that's the only, I mean famously he showed up the next generation, like not unpacking his bags for two months because he's like, Hollywood is not going to have me. So it was just doing anything pretty much that, you know, lots of stage Shakespearean acting, which is, you know, nothing to sneer at, but you don't see it on your tv so much. No.

0:33:27: Yeah, yeah. Um so let's put this on the triple meter zero is not trippy at all. Five is extremely trippy.

0:33:37: Um where do you want to throw this one mind changed a little bit during our conversation and I'll explain that, but I made the guests do it first.

0:33:49: Um well I'm gonna give it a two, it's a little trippy, but I think there's far more tripping to be done.

0:33:58: That's that is where I started, I started off as too, but now that we've been talking now that I'm like thinking of it as kind of like weird proto mutant story, I'm like willing to take it up to a three cause I I spent most of my childhood reading X Men comics, so with that context I can understand.

0:34:16: Yeah, So, so for most people, yes, I would say I I kind of agree with you too, but I'm gonna bump my own up for that reason because it hits a certain strain in my brain and that's a little bit trippy. So there you go. That's fair, That's fair.

0:34:31: Um I guess we'll wind this one down and unless something wild came to your mind now, I think that just about does it, it was a fun thing to watch. It was a good episode. Just I really wanted a space to get his, his comeuppance. There are other episodes where people who get that really raw. Um maybe I'll enjoy those more actually. Um I won't even say which episode it is, but I'd say the worst fate is probably a Night Gallery episode, which was Rod Serling's follow up series.

0:35:06: Oh, okay. And there's there's one episode in there that um wow! Um for for anyone that knows uh and it was a female and you'll know exactly what I'm talking about, but you don't, that's fine. But people I know that episode, man, that that's the worst state of anyone ever, so okay, well, I'm gonna have to seek that now. That's a teaser for five years in the future, folks, I guess. Okay, I'm not big on like horror in that genre really, but I don't know, I'm just going to imagine this gruesome death being aced. That'll be cool. Okay. Yeah, sure, that sounds cool.

0:35:48: Uh sorry, you pop up your, am I wrong to say you're kind of the mission log pinch hitter these days. That's what, that's my self appointed title. I ran that by john he has my, I have his permission to use that. That is my official title now. But that is pretty much what I do is either for mission log live and now for mission log prodigy. If one of the regular co hosts can't join in, they call on me and I'm, I usually make sure that I'm available and ready. That's my job.

0:36:18: I almost called you in a pension for a different episode a few weeks ago. But then schedules switched and I, yeah, it's like when you like prodigy when everything has to come out like on a schedule, some right, pretty far ahead. Like we're talking like a good month before this air. So yeah, you're very good at your plan and you are organized. You are on top of it, but it's pretty hard to turn an episode around. Like when it comes out on one day of the week and then five days later you're releasing your own smaller window. Yeah, it's probably because, yeah, it's like, yeah, exactly. You can't do that at all. And I don't get access to the screeners. So I don't even get any of that lead time.

0:37:00: Oh no. Um, I know. I need to figure out how to get those. I need to talk to somebody been meaning to do that. But do you have any anything of your own that you want to throw out into the fibers here.

0:37:13: Not terribly like these days I'm laying kind of low. I'm mostly on the mission log. Discord with everybody.

0:37:20: Um, I love doing that. I love talking with everybody there and we do all sorts of cool stuff. Like there's the twilight zone chats, there's mission log after dark. We talk about everything and not just sci fi stuff. So that's kind of become my go to place when I want to just hang out and chat with people on the internet. I don't have a twitter account anymore. Um, I need to make up site or website updates so I'm not gonna tell you where my website is. You can find it if you search for me.

0:37:48: I'm on mastodon. I mean everything's kind of in flux right now and I'm not necessarily regularly hosting anything in particular like I'm around, but I'm not, you know, doing a ton of stuff. You can occasionally catch me with virtual trek con on Fridays doing star trek and chill where that is what we do. We, we bring up a drink and we talk about food and star trek and whatever else is going on in the world.

0:38:11: That's what I've been up to. That's what I foresee myself doing in the near future by the time this gets out. So how about we leave it at that? Sure, big step up from for sure.

0:38:22: And and you mentioned the lights and chat on the mission log. Discord, which I should mention is is actually me chatting in the mission log discord about the twilight zone. So it's not a, it's not a Rando connection there so you can go hang out there. I I started that channel so that's right. You did, that's all yours, you took that and ran so you can, you know, go there for one place. Um and then we have our weird little podcasting empire thing going on in Japan. It's a small empire but that's what Patreon had a podcast. Your podcast is where we all also talk about sci fi films that matt luke's sci fi sanctuary and there's some gamer stuff with luke loves Pokemon, the monster mash about monster hunter and the game game show which is for british guys hurling insults at each other. So always, always a good time to check that out. That sounds fun. Okay, I'm gonna see if I can move my mouse with my mind.

0:39:23: Yeah, there we go. It worked. Okay, great, cool. Too bad. It was off camera. Just have to trust me.

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