0:00:03: It is the middle ground between light and shadow between science and superstition and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge.

0:00:14: This is time enough podcast.

0:00:40: Welcome. It's time enough podcast where we get into episodes of the twilight zone and beyond and beyond, hears the echo, some echo. That's real echo though. I just said it several times. Hi, it's matt here in his car. It's Andrew.

0:00:59: That's right now. My first name is Andrew.

0:01:02: My first name is not in his car.

0:01:09: Right. Right. But I am currently in a car.

0:01:13: Should be on a train. That would make more sense for this one.

0:01:17: Oh, absolutely. Oh my gosh, Yeah. Oh God. If that, if that guy had to deal with Atlanta traffic, he'd go falling down. Right. He would, he would go full yes. Full. Uh, I don't know, falling down doesn't play the way you used to know. It doesn't, I haven't seen it since 1993 but I mean, I mean that's like kind of like a, is that like pop culture shorthand now just for going, you know, we don't say going postal anymore. Right? So because movie, but uh oh, that's right. That's right. Well, we can't say going postal because no one that's not a reference point anymore. No. So I thought falling down would be the reference point now. Um, I guess today's episode the mine in the matter, that we do have like a um dramatic cousin to whatever Michael Douglas was in that movie. I mean this guy, like equally sucks.

0:02:07: Yes. Yes, absolutely. Yeah.

0:02:11: Let me start off and do a bit of the trivia for this one, there's not too much on this. So The original air date was May 12, The script is by Rod Serling and Twilight Zone. Regular Buzz Kulik is back in the director's chair.

0:02:29: Archibald Beach Croft was played by Sheldon Leonard Burman.

0:02:33: He was a comedian who won the first, the first Grammy Given for a spoken comedy recording in 1959. He'd much later be nominated for an Emmy playing Larry, David's father on curb your enthusiasm and he'd appear in films such as aware of the blob and Teen witch in the interim.

0:02:55: I think he had classier credits. Those are the ones that stuck out to me so well, I've seen both of those, so that's all you need to know. How is the wear of the blob. That's 72. That's in a weird space for the blob. Yeah, not good. Okay.

0:03:11: Jack Greenwich played Henry.

0:03:14: He chased James Dean and Rebel without a cause and hung out with Elvis and King Creole in the mid seventies. He had a supporting role on Kolchak, the night stalker. You can't leave out the call track trivia, can you?

0:03:27: No, they remade that too, didn't they? That's an interesting one to remake. Yeah, they did. I mean, but you know, I think most people, if they're gonna watch Darren McGavin in anything, they're gonna think um, they're gonna think about christmas story, Right?

0:03:44: Sure, sure. I just I just like screaming, you know, call track, it's fun.

0:03:50: Get out of the way. Coach cheese.

0:03:57: Oh we're gonna get to do some rotted here.

0:04:00: Yeah, give me some rod.

0:04:04: Yeah, we'll need a little context for that for this podcast.

0:04:07: I'm not sharing, I'm not sharing video. Oh you're not. That means I have to do the rod for one. No, I can, no, I can I can see it. I'm just saying like, I won't be giving any rod to your video watchers. Oh right, right, sure, okay, they can do that, a different one. So yeah. Right. Alright, so whenever I do, the Rod Serling always have to dry off my teeth as as we know Poor Rod Serling is talented and visionary as he was. He had no upper lip.

0:04:40: So here we go.

0:04:41: Uh can I just start?

0:04:45: Okay, edit point.

0:04:50: Maybe a brief of frenetic introduction to Mr Archibald Beach Croft, A child of the 20th century product of the population explosion and one of the inheritors of the legacy of progress Mr Beach trough again this time act two of his daily battle for survival in just a moment, A hero will begin his personal one man rebellion against the mechanics of his age and to do so he will enlist certain AIDS available only in the dryer so they're putting him in the population explosion, that doesn't seem quite right. It isn't a boomer thing, it's like post war. Yeah. Yeah.

0:05:39: I'm just thinking maybe like 1960 61 is like a weird vantage point to say that because I guess maybe folks weren't like fully aware of the uh the real population explosion yet. Not just that, but he wouldn't be he wouldn't be part of it. He would be reacting to it. If anything by 61 Yeah, he'd be screaming at those damn hippies in a few years for sure. I mean, not even for you can't debate me on that. No, no, I mean if he can't just stand a few people close to him, he's yeah, I know he would be uh was it peter Boyle? That movie joe? He'd go he'd be like joe. Oh yeah, just um just have joe take out of the hippies. That's right. I wouldn't um I did this one definitely made me think about like modern casting.

0:06:26: I'm wondering if you had any thoughts um about who would be in these roles nowadays.

0:06:33: I mean, you could put Larry David as this guy.

0:06:36: Well, he's a little too old, isn't he?

0:06:40: Uh for for Archibald?

0:06:43: Yeah, for Archibald, I feel like Larry David's and mummy mode at this point. So I think so.

0:06:52: I think I was thinking of fred Armisen would be a good one for beach Croft.

0:06:58: I kind of felt like he had some of that energy to him. I've lost. Yeah. No, no, you're right. And it definitely has the nose for it, Maybe that's what I was seeing. Yeah, yeah and maybe a bit of his mouth to Armistice definitely looks like him.

0:07:16: Um He could play equally swarm me I think. Yeah, it's just gotta be somebody who's yeah, who's not like playing him ironically, you know, or reading ironically yeah, play him intensely, you know? Yeah. My other thought just while I'm spitballing that I thought this does break the aging a little bit but a slightly younger Rain Wilson could be Henry.

0:07:42: Yeah, yeah, that'd be perfect, wouldn't it throw that obsessiveness out, that'd be like you have to read this book, you know, that'd be cool. So of course I just saw weird where he shines as dr demento. So yeah, that was fun. But yeah, yeah. Oh God, he was who else to play doctor demento? You know what I mean? Like if they couldn't have got him, what would they have done? You know? For sure? Um So this whole episode is kind of based around like this book, right the mind in the matter. Um Have you read books along these lines?

0:08:17: Um I mean I've read stuff about like anxiety and I've read some like the um you know, some Alan Watts and things like that, but it's more about it's not it's less about um having control over the world around you? It's more so of getting in control of yourself, you know.

0:08:38: So what if someone like Alan Watts would argue. It's the same thing anyway, but sorry, go ahead. Okay, but you know, what is this podcast about? I mean, I I uh I I think that if I were a guy like that, I would be like, I would not assume there's something wrong with everyone else, I would assume there's something wrong with me, and I'm like, okay, well, obviously it can't be everyone. So what's the X Factor here? Like, let's let's start with me and change my attitude. But he goes, yeah, he goes the opposite route.

0:09:13: Yeah, I feel like there's kind of a mid 20th century strain of this book, because if you go before that these thoughts would be in like, kind of maybe dense language, you know, it's it's kind of hard to go back and read some of that.

0:09:26: Uh was it not theocracies? Um not the lame either. But anyway, like, you know, late 19th century mysticism is a little dense, it's a little hard to read. And if you want to go earlier and that's impossible to read. So we get this like, um you know, dale Carnegie sort of thing. And in the mid 20th century, I feel like this is kind of where this one is hitting, like it's not really addressing your anxiety, it's um trying to give you a tool to, you know, go be an alpha male or something.

0:09:56: Yeah. Oh yeah, no, it's it's gross and it's funny, like watching this now, I think it plays the best, it's played in probably 20 years.

0:10:08: I mean, I mean, would this guy be an insult now? I guess he would be, yeah, Although this guy is more humorous. We have a comedy comedian playing him and you know, it's fun to watch. And I feel like you, that's why we don't see media about that sort of thing. It's, it gets too depressing, too intense and uh, it can get like into really weird territory really quickly. Oh no. And plus, you know, forget reading a book and, and just wanting to manipulate the world, that guy would just be murdering people. You know, like instead of, you know, he motions and doors open and things like that. Instead he would just like motion and you know, women's heads would explode if they didn't like his cat calls.

0:10:53: Yeah, Yeah. I mean, so I guess 1961 is like the best vantage point to watch the sort of guy reading, you know, dale Carnegie knockoffs and not, well, he wants the white people from existence and then he wants to john Malkovich. Um, but I guess he doesn't want them around for the most part. No, that's true. And you can see why where serling came up with that, you know, every, every person who needs, who want, you know, writers need solitude.

0:11:19: That's kind of one of the things about it is, um, you know, you really, it's ideally you could be writing in a kind of a vacuum where there's no distractions at all. And so I, without having read up on the inspirations for it, I would just say, yeah, rod sterling was like trying to just get some peace and quiet to do his job and he probably had a fleeting thought of, you know, if everybody just vanished until I was done writing this, you know what I mean?

0:11:48: That goes back to the whole time enough at last as well. He just wants time to read and uh it takes a nuclear apocalypse and and then he breaks his glasses of course, is is the uh you know, horrible twist, um which is like, no, go ahead, go ahead.

0:12:04: Like he's a lovable dork where, you know, this guy is like an absolute prick. Well, he's a prick, but he's, I mean before that, he just seems to be like internalizing and just like grumbling at everyone. So yeah, it's, that's a perfect comparison. And that was the first thing I thought of when I started watching this was time enough at last and I was thinking like, okay, if dude hadn't broken his glasses though, that guy probably would have been fine, he wouldn't have gotten bored like this guy does, you know, uh talking to himself and then, you know, seeing himself and all that stuff. I don't think, I think he would have been, I think he would have been content if he hadn't broke his glasses.

0:12:43: Why you see staying at work anyway, if no one's around anymore.

0:12:48: Well I mean he's it's kind of like for a, well it's for a visual reference. It would have been funny if he just went down to the ports of the theater, sat down, you know, this is what I want to do and he rolls the projector for the stag films all day long, you know, wipes himself completely out until Sawdust is coming out as Weiner. But no, I think that um I think that you know, for for the show to work to illustrate what's going on, you've got to then take him through his paces that he went through in the beginning. So it's a contrast, right? Nobody's there, nobody's there, nobody's there and all the places where is usually packed, right? And so you know at first he's he's digging it.

0:13:28: But that that wears off rather quickly. Some of this is my reality now um on Tuesdays I go to work, it's it's they opened the school near me finally and um basically I get two hours of this like a week before someone else shows up. So wow, what do you do during those times? I mean the only thing I have to do is just you know clean and that doesn't take insanely long. So um yeah, but I guess I am kind of like oh I'm sitting at the office, I'm you know, looking at, you know, looking at the schedule, that sort of thing for a little bit. But yeah, so yeah, I don't go running off. So I guess I understand while he, why he's hanging around a little bit, especially the first day, you know, maybe give it a week, he'll definitely be down at the, uh, the, the right side of the Buford Highway twin Cinema. But oh my gosh, I was looking for that the last time I was in durable, I was endurable three weeks ago maybe.

0:14:29: And I was uh, you know, for the listeners benefit. Um, that was the theater that was in operation when matt and I were Children.

0:14:38: I emphasized that because the left side was was first story, probably second run movies and yeah, and then the right side yeah, was how they kept the lights on, which was their adult films and later then became adult films. Left and right, It was right by a strip club and a liquor store. I mean it was just prime location for that.

0:15:03: Exactly. So yeah, if there's suddenly no one around, imagine he'd first, maybe he'd find his way over to the toy shop as it was for some adult novelties.

0:15:16: Sorry, I, I imagine quick to the strip club, there's nobody by himself by himself. There's no way they're throwing money at the pole.

0:15:29: That would be in the, that's yeah, that if they redid this one, they have to have that in that scene in Except it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's the extended kind of this episode. No, I mean, I think you're I mean, I think it's a good point of discussion, especially when we're talking about season two of twilight zone, um You know, this is, you know, time enough at last, you can speculate on what would have happened, like we said if the glasses didn't break.

0:15:56: Um but here it's pretty clear, like as time goes on um what and and it is perfect twilight zone about, you know, here's what you think you're going to get and then here's what actually happens, it actually sucks to have this power or ability or item or you know what I mean, whatever it is, How long do you think you could have, we need to decide to get people and have them all be himself? Um What, how long could you deal with that? It's like living in Apex Twins Window licker a little bit, I guess. Right? That's funny, I get that reference. No, and um and I was looking immediately at all the masks, you know, the rubber masks that everyone had onto fairly obvious how they're like pulling this off before I got the window licker vibe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it wasn't like, you know, they, the special effects are always kind of limited, but it's it's no, it's no less freaky, you know, the idea that all these people are, but how long can I deal with a world of andrews?

0:16:59: Um I mean, I could deal with having a couple of me, you know, multiplicity style, as long as, you know, the copies weren't completely dull. Yeah, yeah, um but uh no, I wouldn't want that at all, I mean, I'm not comfortable around a lot of white people unless it's, you know, a family function, you know what, take that back, I'm not comfortable there either.

0:17:28: Yeah. Oh, once, once we started seeing um him and drag and and lots of different guises, actually, that's that's that's when I, my recast changed a little bit, that's when I started thinking of kids in the hall scott Thompson in the role instead, that that would be a good one here, that at the time yeah, Thompson, yeah, just because they were so great at that, you know, actually it did that little ending part did have, like, kind of, you know, kids in the hall vibe, you know, obviously 30 years before that show, but right, but I didn't even think of that, and that's so perfect. Absolutely, they would tend to tie up things in that way.

0:18:12: Um Okay, I got I got two other big observations, Well, ones one small and stupid and one's a little more deep um I'll give you the stupid one first, were you like rocking out with the Dyna mat, that was amazing. Who do we get Dinah mats anymore, like that?

0:18:27: Oh God.

0:18:29: You know I had to think of a century, those mid century fonts and stuff on the signs. It was fantastic. Oh God, I was, you know, that was like for me like a, like that was, that was just like a nerdy tangent for me.

0:18:47: Yeah, I mean I was, you know recently looking up like you know extinct fast food places and stores and then it's kind of that same line of thinking and you know of course Japan we have lots of wild vending machines um Unfortunately from the goes a machine you're buying frozen goes a so you couldn't just like eat it at the machine, you have to like take it somewhere and a little bit.

0:19:10: Yeah, I'd be afraid though if it was, yeah, I don't know how much, I trust it if it came out warming up. Yeah, okay. That cooks in actually at maybe some arcades and bowling alleys. I have seen some machines in Japan that like kind of cook the food a little bit so if it's pre cooked and then it just heats it up, that's cool. You know something that's like, yeah, that's more like, like the hot dog at the gas station, I'd much rather have the, yeah, because I went to a ramen shop and then I was like, oh do we get the tickets here? No, this, this sells ramen outside of the ramen shop but it's frozen like oh okay. I guess it's not competition then. No, this is for when you want Robbins at a different time.

0:19:59: Um And also the deeper one I guess we should consider, Well I guess he didn't because he brought him back but did beach croft technically commit total genocide or what I mean, why not just say that?

0:20:13: You know, because do there need to be bodies around for genocide to have occurred? You know, I mean it's not like he hops on the train and it's just piled up with bodies like you know there's been a zombie plague or something. It's just everyone vanishes.

0:20:32: Is it everyone who's driving that train? You know that was what I wondered I was like okay, so he's on the train. Things seem to go the way he wants them to though. Um You know because the he doesn't have to put his hands on anything. So it's possible that because he wants the train to be moving, it's moving right okay. Yeah, because he seems that he opens the office doors with his mind as well. So he's yeah, so his his mind powers extend to telekinesis so he got that he's not going to entertain himself with that for a while before he gets bored, come on, you know, move some things around the office just for fun. Beer pong. Beer pong is a diversion. You can play beer pong with himself.

0:21:14: That's true.

0:21:16: I mean I guess if we really wanted to think about it, my mind's gonna go to the, you know the most deviant, worst place automatically.

0:21:24: So uh yeah, I don't know. I'd be playing some plastic man with my genitals. Okay, okay.

0:21:37: Remember the character plastic man. I wonder if I could turn this door knob from sitting in my chair. Dude, you just, you just don't, you remember the clone character that has a much better name for for what you're getting at? There was also ralph Ding be the elongated man, the elongated man. That's true.

0:21:58: So perfectly named. That was exactly what I thought of the first time I heard that too.

0:22:04: Of course. Um something that, oh here here's one thing where I do sympathize um when I have lots of time I can't get anything done, but when I have like one hour I'll, you know, get like four things done, right? So. Oh sure. Yeah. Well you're you you're you're kind of energy comes from the pressure, you know? Uh I um mostly a remote worker unless I'm out, you know, covering something in the field or meeting someone in person for an interview.

0:22:38: Um I'm a writer and so yeah, a lot of times, especially during the school year where I'm I'm yeah, I'm alone at the house and so uh my deadlines, I have deadlines but you know, it's it's bad that if I'm there to kind of police myself, I don't put any pressure on myself at all and then I end up cranking stuff out like in an hour. Yeah. Yeah just somehow condensing your time like that seems to sometimes work very nicely.

0:23:08: Yeah no I my best friend my best if I just get get up very early and you know knock it out that's the best I can do.

0:23:18: I don't think I talked to myself much though. I mean we need him talking to himself a little bit I guess or it's not all the invaders work without her talking to herself but no that's true. No that's a good example to know. I I think that him talking to himself kind of shows that sort of narcissism that this whole thing was born from you know because like you know what makes you think you should be the only person in the world, you know?

0:23:45: Right. Right, so he has a conversation with himself about it absolutely, like who would who would he choose to talk to if he had to talk to someone himself? Everyone else sucks I guess as far as the the shots that stick in your head, especially ones with effects um the simple effect of cutting away cutting back and nobody being there is very effective and isn't even a special effect. Right?

0:24:08: Um They don't do the mirror things so well though I would say I mean the Marx brother charlie Chaplin, they already did the mirror thing like pretty perfectly. So I mean they didn't look crappy though. I mean they pulled it off? They pulled it off? Well it's I think it's because I've seen duck soup so many times. I'm just like they're not nailing it like they did in duck soup. No that's true. No by the time it happened you were pretty much right.

0:24:38: So anyway that that I mean it's one of those things where I'm like kind of like happy and being let down by the shot, you know like it's not like it's ruining and just like look at that didn't quite work too bad when his when his other self would sort of appear in things though. I thought it looked pretty seamless. There was one where he was sort of on a black screen sort of um I don't think it was a monitor, I can't remember. It was a chalkboard maybe or something like that. Or uh maybe it had the stocks or some kind of black um when he appears in that I thought it looked pretty great and I was looking for like edges and stuff because now you know we're in high definition and so you know some of these things telling themselves unfortunately but I thought that one looked pretty good.

0:25:26: Oh yeah a few of them were good. I just yeah when it was clearly like they're shooting the back of an extra head and doing like they could have got good enough right? Um Those are those are all my like random observations. Did you have any others you wanted to throw on this?

0:25:45: Um you know, I think we, the thing I wanted to kind of sort of talk about was the fact that, you know the telekinesis was so low key.

0:25:56: You know, it wasn't like they really telegraphed that at all. It just was a thing like, okay, not only is everyone gone, but he also has like this other stuff too. So I think like as time went on would, what would he? It seems like the longer this thing went on, the more powerful he kind of got Yeah, it'd be like that that first star trek episode with Kirk where his his lieutenant buddy is becoming omnipotent has silvery silvery eyes, I should know his name, but Gary Lockwood's the actor, I can't remember the character's name off the top of my head, which I was that was great. That was great.

0:26:36: In 2001, not total recall.

0:26:40: Um but that was that was kind of the only thing I love the twilight zones, when not everything is explained, You know, my and and that's really my favorite thing of any kind of narrative fiction is when you just kind of, it just it's happening and you can like observe it, but some people will go like, okay, that's right because you didn't explain it. Whereas I think I think it's when you do explain it, you know, I didn't show him like I wonder what else I can do with my powers. Let me get the book. You know what I mean? Well, you know, twice and of course, as an anthology show, none of the episodes inform other ones. But for this podcast we are watching them sequentially. And just a few weeks ago we did get the prime mover where they explained the telekinesis. So yeah, so, you know, if someone was watching last week's and then they will watch this one. You're like, okay, we just saw the Prime mover right there.

0:27:38: You know, why not? We just saw that that guy do it. So, you know, let's get let's get on with it here. So, I like, I like that when they sort of they let the audience, you can tell the writers has faith in the audience is uh intelligence.

0:27:53: Right? Let's do a few questions and and see how our intelligence goes with this episode. Uh who in this episode enters the twilight zone?

0:28:05: Oh, man. See, I think I think your idea of who enters the twilight zone is often kind of different from mine because when I think of somebody. Right, right, right. But I think it's because I always I think I picked the obvious choice too much because I would say I would only say this guy because I think he's somewhere separate.

0:28:27: I don't think the world, I don't think he's actually affected the world I think that he's just in a he's just you know kind of jumped a different one. Well even if he has affected the world which I guess he hasn't because like you know 20,000 planes would have just crashed even in 1960 you know so you know Exactly so like you could go okay everyone else's in the twilight zone and he's not oh I would say for sure he's in it. My argument with everyone else would be like did they notice not existing for a while? Although I'm thinking of like your idea like he actually is in an alternate space by himself and and not in the real world is um that's not how I watched the episode but that sounds perfectly valid. And uh of course then does he disappear from the real world for a bit? So someone just watching him disappear. My you know also be influenced with the twilight. So that's over thinking and I know I'm just yeah no I don't think I don't think so because you know if his last name Beecham Beechcraft Beechcraft Beechcraft goes into another dimension.

0:29:30: Does he make a sound?

0:29:32: Well I guess the only other person that they even like telegraphing that might notice would be Henry who doesn't actually I think Henry is trying to hook up with Beechcraft but uh I think he is too I'm so glad that you said that because that it's that one like that last like look back at him after he gives him the book? You know, he like goes off and you know, he does all the, you know, the his usual um you know, he spills something and just, you know, screws up and everything. But then as as he's as he's kind of walking off after he gives in the book, he's like, yeah, a friend of mine really likes his book, you know? And you know, it'd be funny if he opened it up and it was just like a picture of his dick in there.

0:30:19: That would be the twilight zone. That would be a different zone.

0:30:23: Tijuana bible with an actual piece.

0:30:28: But I'm sorry. That's hilarious to me right now.

0:30:35: No, it's that, I'm sorry, it's that last look that he gives them. It's just like a slight little like, you know, is you know like I don't know, it's a weird knowing kind of almost like a check. I don't know what it is, but um I watched I noticed that every time I see this one.

0:30:52: Yeah, so okay. I'm it wasn't just me then because yeah, I think yeah, like you said the spilling it on. Oh oops, I wanna talk to you, you know?

0:31:03: Um But I want to focus question too.

0:31:06: I guess we'll just focus on beach because it doesn't make sense to focus it on anyone else. Which is does he deserve his trip into the twilight zone?

0:31:16: Oh man.

0:31:18: Uh Well which one are we going with? Are we going with he went or everyone else went just we're going with him as as our twilight zone compatriot I guess. Okay well absolutely. I think, I mean it's like you get it's a oh gosh, you know it's kind of the justice system of the show. You know you have to have you know whoever did the thing has to then lay in the consequences of what they did, you know? And if you can't stand people and he's just annoyed by everyone and he's so superior then Yeah. Yeah I think so.

0:31:56: I think he does okay. I mean I would say so it's a fully self, it's a fully self instigated trip into the twilight. I mean you could be like you could be like Henry gave him the book but I mean people have given you books before and you maybe you read them, maybe you didn't if you did read him you bought it or you didn't. So you know it's he has like eight decisions to make in the end right before before endeavoring on his trip. So you get what you deserve in that case.

0:32:23: Yeah. Yeah and he gives it back to him like what do you think about it Like I mean my my I was asking earlier about like what books have you read along these lines because the more modern ones I've read have been like more along like metaphysical lines where you know it's like think about things this way, you know, take them in and think this way, you know focus on this this way, you know like I guess meditation all things right? So I didn't make everyone disappear. But you and it doesn't it's you know, it's like you know, make your own puzzles and solve them as dr steve brule says right, you know, which is by the way, some of the most genius words ever and from dr steve brule. So yes, I can't, I know, I mean my therapist has recommended a couple of things to me that I that I read, but none of it I feel was of like a sort of like motivational variety because that's not really my problem. Uh and so or one of the issues I have, I'm pretty motivated person but um I can't think of anything that would be kind of meditative that I've that I've read because I most of the things I read our books about movies or filmmakers more and more recently.

0:33:39: Okay.

0:33:41: Yeah, the ghastly ones, the gym, everything Jim McDonough has written really is great because he's one of my favorite biographers. But yeah, the one about the ghastly ghastly ones. Um and I guess that's about Al Adamson maybe I can't remember who it's about.

0:33:58: I seriously thought about, say al lewis I was yeah, no he didn't, he didn't live that kind of a life, but because he was grandpa yeah, I've read a few different ones and I'm into a few different, you know, like I go through the whole film makers, you know, I'm on the Red Dennis Steckler stuff right now. Um but uh yeah, that's most of the stuff that I read, so I can't, I can't name the last time I read anything that was like, supposed to be it, it's decades ago, right? Um let's put this one on the triple meter. Uh I always get to ask the guests first. That's that's my podcast. So I get to go second.

0:34:46: This one rates a little higher for me on the triple meter than uh than like maybe even the average twilight zone for me because um you know, it's completely becomes completely divorced from reality. Um so much so that, you know, like a bunch of copies of him are walking around, I mean that's weird. That's really weird. You know, that's that's a that's entirely different from like you chasing yourself or something like that would be out of a dream, you know? Uh this goes into the realm of like bizarre imagery, right? You wanna stick, not, not, I mean you don't have the number, you can stick a sound to it, but uh I'll take a I'll take a boy, Maybe a 3 1/2.

0:35:34: Okay, okay, so not like insanely high. Okay, just curious because I'm going to go, I was thinking 2.5. Um and I think what you're saying is wanting me to keep it a little bit up, you know, with like you said, bizarre imagery. I am starting to wonder if the, the more comedy episodes are starting to, um, you know, detract from the trip penis for me.

0:35:58: You watch Shadow Play, which is just like, wow, my mind just got shattered. And then I watched, yeah, there's plenty of trippy stuff. I'm like, well, it's not really like, it's not blowing my mind man, although it's lots of fun and it's a good episode, but it's not blowing my mind man, You know, and that's why I put it just like a step higher than that, you know? Um, because I think some of the stuff that you see in this one is kind of like, okay, put it this way.

0:36:28: If you saw just a frame of all those copies of him, you know exactly what episode that was.

0:36:36: Yeah, yeah, that's definitely gets that twilight zone thing of like, you can flash an image and everyone gets it right. And so I think that deserves a couple like notches up higher. Um, but just the fact that you and I are even discussing like, you know, uh, alternate universe, I think also warrants that a little bit. Yeah, I guess this one wouldn't hit the merch buttons and unless you were like selling people, the book itself, someone might be into that I guess. But what I have, what I just got a bunch of books yesterday at work. One of my coworkers was like, I have all these books, Does anyone want them? And um, I wasn't there that day because I'm not the main school.

0:37:19: They're like, give them to matt. So I just got this last night, I picked it up feeling the Secret by mitch Horowitz about neville Goddard stuff. So it's my coworker literally handed me a book along these lines yesterday.

0:37:37: I like it. Yeah, I like it when people know you, you know what I mean? Um definitely that when I get left stuff, somebody left a Michael Myers Halloween action figure on my desk the other day.

0:37:52: I was like, wow, this one too. Thanks again, James. I was like, why are you giving me this? It's like this leather bound tarot set, you know?

0:38:05: And and it's not the white. What? I can't remember the name of the most famous one. It's kind of a different one. So that's that's kind of cool too because I actually have the writer smith, I don't remember it's called. But yeah, these are kind of art Art school one. So that's kind of cool. So I don't know why it's getting rid of it. But sure, yeah, they were correct. He's getting rid of it because you have to pass along to someone else within 24 hours or you die. Okay, okay. We can do some taro first. Yeah.

0:38:34: Yeah. I was gonna say, don't hang on to that too long. You kill everyone else. You psychically genocide them.

0:38:45: All right. Uh let's see. I don't know what what is today? Today is, Oh, it's tomorrow's valentine's day. Okay. You want to give your valentine's day plug? Well, that sounds bad.

0:39:00: What do you mean? It's just kind of shaped like a All right.

0:39:08: Yeah, it's heart shaped, but upside down it's got a little feet on it where you can sort of sit in your office by yourself with it for two hours every morning. Uh um So as always, I've enjoyed discussion. My name is Andrew sheer here in Athens Georgia, United States. My friends and I make movies were called Gonzo Graphic, G O N Z O R I F F I C. And you can find us on instagram organs. Terrific dot com. And you can buy movies for us. Our current movie have out this brand new is called jug saw. And a few of a few of the, the, it's like a mix tape. So a few of the movies on there definitely, definitely would qualify as twilight zone. Like That's one of my biggest influences is the twilight zone. Just with more cleavage. Right?

0:40:06: You got like 22. It's got some cleavage.

0:40:09: Yeah.

0:40:11: Uh As for this is time enough podcast. We are that on twitter? We are that on facebook if you want to support us on Patreon, keep the lights on. Uh I've even been doing occasional chats here and there in different places. Um but that's podcast. Audio podcast. Yes. Where we also talk about sci fi movies on matt, luke, sci fi sanctuary at the Disney podcast, talking about the weird magic behind the mouse. Um We we do like then we're just talking about that and uh most recently they're starting a run of podcast about the sixties tv series, The prisoner very twilight zone like called imprisoned in prison and other prisoner prison cast. So if you want to hear some weird tangents of people trying to make sense out of a show, they don't understand. That's a good one to listen to.

0:41:03: I loved it, I loved it. Like you and Mark are perfect for that discussion already. Oh, oh yeah, the first one is already out. So you heard that second one?

0:41:12: Well it's tomorrow for you, but it's been out for a few weeks for everyone else, so. Okay, okay, well matt, it's been good talking to you today.

0:41:22: Yes, I'd like to thank Andrew for uh for taking the time to participate in this discussion.

0:43:10: Yeah, yeah, dude, this rich.

0:43:30: Yeah, no