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0:00:03: It is the middle ground between light and shadow between science and superstition and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is Time Enough podcast.
0:00:40: Hello, welcome to Time Enough Podcast. It's where we discuss all of the episodes of the Twilight Zone and Beyond. This is Matt here joining me today. I, I, I know she's had a, a run through Star Trek Voyager. I'm listening to her currently going about Star Trek pro prodigy and Charlene Smith. Hello. Hello. Thank you for having me back. I think I got three syllables wrong. But as I said, I sometimes I do early morning podcasting and uh my, my tongue doesn't work anymore.
0:01:11: I, I understand my whole body doesn't work until the coffee kicks in.
0:01:16: That's Oh, yeah. Yeah. OK. I don't know. It's like I, I do like a cafe latte. Is that, is that faking it?
0:01:22: Heat up your milk, put it?
0:01:24: No, that's what I make. I have. I have my espresso machine downstairs. It's a little, you know, a little consumer one but it brews the espresso steams the milk and then I put in maybe just a little bit of flavoring and I do that every morning. That's what I do.
0:01:37: You have a space mug? I'm missing a space mug.
0:01:40: Uh, well, this is my space mug. Oh, you can't really see it also. It's audio. Yeah, it's, I think it's like Captain Janeway mug, but with a foolproof ceiling lid, it's basically like a sippy cup for adults because I need that.
0:01:54: Ah, ok. Yeah, I, I drink the coffee in the morning but then I just go around slamming plum flavored bottled water in the afternoon. So I kind of do that too. I'll drink water in the afternoon, coffee in the morning because any later after lunch, if I drink caffeine nowadays I'm way too wired. I can't sleep. And if I don't sleep, then I'm a total grouch the next day. And that's no good.
0:02:19: No, today's a very dry episode. No coffee.
0:02:23: No, no bottled water for today. It's all, it's all great.
0:02:27: It's a grave. So, all liquor. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, uh, what's that movie? We have cabin fever, like, we're only drinking beer and it turns out whatever the thing is, is transmitted through water. So I saw the opening weekend and not since I, I have a very hazy memory of that movie.
0:02:46: Nice.
0:02:47: Let me do a little trivia on the grave. Uh, the original air date was October 27th, 1961 like two, several episodes ago. This was written and directed by Montgomery Pittman, who will be back to do the same for one more episode. Later this season, Lee Marvin played a man named Connie Miller.
0:03:09: He was a classic tough guy of the 19 fifties playing opposite Marlon Brando in the wild one directed, directed by Fritz Long in the Big Heat and the star of the TV series M Squad.
0:03:20: Later on, he'd star in Cat Ballou the Dirty Dozen and paint your wagon.
0:03:26: Johnny Robb was played by James Best though. He had had hundreds of guest star roles in early television. He's probably best known today for playing Sheriff Rosco P Coltrane on the Dukes of Hazard.
0:03:39: Brother Martin was mother shed. You may remember him as the warden and Cool Hand Luke who spews the classic line? Oh, what we have here is failure to communicate. And I don't even think I did the right impression again.
0:03:53: Uh I'm gonna call that to early morning.
0:03:55: It's my fault. I asked if you could do this time and it's very early for you. Oh, I've done earlier. I've with UK people. I get, I've got six AM start. So this is, this is a seven AM.
0:04:08: I only have to wake up like 30 minutes earlier than I usually would anyway.
0:04:12: Ok. That's good. I don't feel as bad.
0:04:16: Ellen Willard played Eon Sykes. I, I watched the episode last night being like, I have to remember how to say her name and it just, I don't know if I just said it right or not. She only had a few professional, it's the character's name. Anyway. Not the actress. I got that right. She only had a few professional credits.
0:04:34: Yeah. She's pretty much known for this episode finally.
0:04:39: Yeah. Yeah, there's, I mean, there was like, there are a couple other credits around this time and the thing that threw me off and I put in my notes is we had a brunette Elizabeth Montgomery a few episodes ago too. Also, same director writer and it was just like it was like same vibe. Maybe that's, I don't know, Montgomery taste or something.
0:04:58: Maybe that's his type.
0:04:59: Yeah, we got one more to check so we'll, we'll see what happens in his last episode.
0:05:04: Um I got one more guy here which is Steinhardt was played by Lee Van Clief. I'll let you decide which Lee has the cooler name as we have two in this episode, Van Van Cleef that it's Lee Marvin. It's, it's a, it's a toughie. Van Cleef made its trade in Spaghetti Westerns most notably appearing in Sergio Leone's Dollars trilogy.
0:05:26: So we got, we got real Western people in here. At least I, I didn't really, I said, yeah, Lee, I really was a big catch for uh 1961 because a lot of the actors like they were, they became really famous after being in the Twilight Zone, but he, he already would have been like, you know, like a box office draw in 1961. So, you know, he had his own TV, show all that sort of stuff.
0:05:49: Nice.
0:05:50: I figured these were western guys and forgive me because I'm not a fan of westerns. I do not know their names. I do not know their work. But I figured just by the look and the way they performed this was not their first time doing this sort of a thing.
0:06:04: Yeah, we have a few observations on, on that as well. But, um, I mean, jeez, how, how many people under the of 60 are the westerns? Really? I was thinking in the late eighties or, you know, it's like back to the future three. Now they're in the west because we all enjoyed westerns in our childhood so much so that they are like, it's a little dusty, I mean, great movie. Don't get me wrong. But it's just like, you know, Spielberg and, uh and all these guys are like, yeah, you, you guys want westerns, right? Not really.
0:06:33: I'll take this one though. This one is fun. Uh Sorry, I got the, the prologue blasted on the screen. If you could give me a reading of that, please.
0:06:42: Yes, certainly.
0:06:43: Normally the old man would be correct. This would be the end of the story. We've had the traditional shoot out on the street and the bad man will soon be dead.
0:06:52: But some men of legend and folktale have been known to continue having their way even after death, the outlaw and Killer Pinto Sykes was such a person. And shortly we'll see how he introduces the town and a man named Connie Miller in particular to the twilight zone.
0:07:07: Yes, sir. That's the end of that. I was supposed to say that before you started, but, oh, well, I got it there. I could edit it but I'm not going to Yeah, I'm, I'm gonna give that back to the early morning podcasting.
0:07:21: Blame it all on that while we can. Everything dumb I say is because of that. Ok. Not, not for other reasons.
0:07:29: 11 thing. Ok. I, I thought it's a well made episode, like you said, they're clearly Western Pros all that.
0:07:36: The second time watching this episode.
0:07:39: It, I thought it was really funny, really funny in what way? What was funny about it?
0:07:45: How have you watched much S C TV?
0:07:48: Not really. Ok. That was the thing. Uh, John Candy Rick Harold Ramis in late seventies, early eighties doing just like dry deadpan parodies of, um, television of the time. So they do like the Days of our Lives. It's, it's a, um, a soap opera that recurs on show. You watch like a two hour super cut of it on youtube. But, uh, it's, everyone is just, you know, it's played dead seriously, you know, but it's just, it's hysterical because it's so stupid.
0:08:19: I got you. Ok. And, uh, they would occasionally do. I, I remember John Candy showed up in a clip. He was yellow belly.
0:08:27: So he, he get freaked out by, take anybody seriously with that name.
0:08:32: Right. So it showed him on the street and like, there's a, a woman and son, like kind of like make noise behind him, shoots him dead and like has to run town and, you know, it shows him in the bar the next town and they're like, you're just Yeller, you're Yeller Belly. And I was like, that was really like the bar scene in here where they're kind of daring him to go to the grave.
0:08:54: And then Lee Marvin is so ridiculously serious. I'm like this. Um And, and, and I realized too, ok, maybe part of it is also because it is, you know, the, the sheriff from Dukes of Hazzard, like, uh you know, I haven't seen that show since like 1984 right? So it's, it's in, it's in my subconscious at best and I was like, I think I picked up on that a little bit.
0:09:19: Yeah. Yeah, I guess it is interesting just how uh straightforward and serious he's, he is playing this and that maybe is what added to the confusion I had the first time watching through this episode because it was nothing like I was expecting.
0:09:33: So you said, OK, we're gonna watch the grave and I thought, ok, probably a ghost story or something like that's taking place in a semi cemetery. This seems very twilight. Zon. Cool. Then I look at the thumbnail and it's old western kind of scenery. And I'm thinking, huh.
0:09:51: So this, there's, this episode, this story was nothing that I was expecting really whatsoever. I was expecting more of like a suspenseful kind of creepy thriller. I kept waiting to be creeped out, but honestly, I wasn't, not the first time, not the second time either. I thought maybe that was just a first impression. No, second time around. It was just kind of, I have a theory on what really happened and that's about it.
0:10:18: Ok? Not, not, you're not gonna go with uh the sister's theory that, that the ghost killed him. Ok?
0:10:25: I got in my notes here. Ok. Lots of straight, you know, lots of straight western, I've forgotten all about the Twilight Zone and, and then my final note is that we just saw like a Darwin award where the death. So I was going Darwin Award route. I, I guess I'm agreeing with the um not with the theory.
0:10:44: Yeah. And well, you would be right if that is in fact how he died, that is very worthy of a daring award because dang dude.
0:10:53: Yeah. Yeah. So it is such a serious man having such a stupid death. Like I said, like the sec, I, I I don't require guests to watch these twice or anything. So, but this one I did have because I kind of just, um, I like, first time I watched it kind of late at night and dozed off and I started and I was like, ok, I should actually just watch this again and I was like, second time I was like, this is funny, like, oh, no. Yeah. So, um, I, I actually would recommend people to give it like a double view and, um, you're Lee Marvin kind of doing like a Leslie Nielsen thing almost.
0:11:26: Yeah.
0:11:27: You know, watching it with that kind of context might be a very different experience and I wasn't going and expecting to think that way the second time. It's just like it just the first time I, in my notes I did already know that, you know, I'm getting seriously IC TV vibes as I mentioned. But uh the second time, like I was kind of giggling and it's a weird episode to giggle at.
0:11:50: Oh, it really is.
0:11:51: Yeah.
0:11:52: But I guess that in a way makes it even more absurd and more funny. I can see this angle. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I definitely, you know, um the guy's previous episode was two which was, I mean, just, it wasn't, it was a little, I mean, you got young Elizabeth Montgomery and Charles Bronson. That was cool. But otherwise it was a little bit of an iffy episode. It was like, there's not a whole lot going on. So this one, I think this one's like, a lot better and like, kind of and feels like you said you were like, am I watching the Twilight Zone? So honestly, if I were flipping channels and just going through Classic TV, I would, if I had not known what this episode was, I would just think it was some old western story, not Twilight Zone, not unless.
0:12:38: And until I saw Rod Sterling, what is, uh who's on set on this one? So that, that's becoming more of a rarity. Usually they'll have like a crazy, like, swirly wipe and he's there because it was filmed a different day. But this has, he comes out of the door, he's on set for this one. So, that's nice.
0:12:54: Yeah. Cool.
0:12:55: You said you had a theory as to how this guy offed himself?
0:12:59: Well, I don't think he offed himself.
0:13:02: Uh, you're going with the, uh, with the more supernatural theory or?
0:13:05: Nope, I think that the sister did it. I own. Oh, ok. Yeah, because, you know, she walks off and she has, like, she has the wind theory, right? Like, but she's almost, like giving herself away, like, oh, that couldn't have happened. So, how did it? Maybe she's avenging for her brother or something like that.
0:13:29: Yeah. Yeah. And just, oh, you did that, that, that, and she was inebriated. So, maybe the inhibitions were a little lesser then and she wasn't too far away. She was walking off but she could have easily come back and then done it.
0:13:44: Maybe she did and forgot she did it since she had just downed a bottle of her eye.
0:13:49: Would you think she was blackout drunk? Oh, man. I mean she did have a big bottle. It could have happened.
0:13:55: So, and, and they take this family like is not so bright, right? So plausible deniability all over the place with this.
0:14:06: So I, I'm actually, I, I wanted, I guess she said rye, she wanted rye. But um, I was just, I was just reading a book called uh the Cattle Kingdom. I'm in the middle of it and uh we were talking about Rot Gut.
0:14:18: Um West.
0:14:21: What's that? I'm trying to look up the recipe for that. Uh It was like really insane. What was in it?
0:14:29: Do we want to know it? I mean, it wasn't like, particularly dirty. It was just like weird. Ok. Uh 11 gallon you, oh, you just make a big mix here. Ok. One gallon alcohol, one plug or black twist of tobacco for color.
0:14:44: One black strap molasses for flavor. One handful red Spanish peppers for spice. Five gallons of river water. Two rattlesnake heads per barrel. That gives it spirit. What?
0:14:56: Wow. Ok. What, so I took a turn now.
0:15:00: So maybe that's what she's drinking.
0:15:03: Hm. Oh, I guess. Well, I mean, alcohol lasts a while. You don't need to preserve it. I, I, I, and I don't in the book, I read I don't remember reading Rattlesnake head but the rest of it I remember the peppers being in there. I mean, that's, that's weird. I mean, I can see why it's called Rot Gut now because if it's not one thing that's going to get you, it's something else in there.
0:15:21: Yeah. Yeah. So, hey, that could have, maybe, maybe, well, I guess he said he specifically was not getting into the Rock Gut that night. So it wasn't Lee Marvin. But, uh, yeah, she has a bottle of, who knows what? So, right again, plausible deniability.
0:15:37: I think she actually did it, but her brother's gonna get the blame and he's dead. So he can't really, and why not, why not go for the supernatural angle because it creeps everybody out.
0:15:49: Yeah. Well, if, if you do it from the grave, you're, you're now a legend, right? So.
0:15:53: Right.
0:15:54: Well, and here's a question I have is what exactly did Pinto do? Why is he such a bad guy?
0:16:01: I didn't quite catch all of that. Well, they start off with the shootout where, you know, um, Connie has, hasn't caught up with him yet and the rest of the town just off the guy. So, um, I don't know, maybe it's been cattle rustling murder. And so, um, I figured it had to be something along those lines but they didn't really give tons of context as to what he did and why everybody is shooting him and then it's that slow build toward the end, which I think is why they start off with the shootout is because you need some action to get drawn into the story. But I, I don't understand why they, uh, wanted to kill Pinto in this teeny little town.
0:16:41: Yeah, I, I was, I was reading about the, the bandits in this book too where it's talking about. Yeah, most cowboys actually couldn't afford a gun and, you know, they probably wanted to stay out of trouble while they were in the red light district of Dodge City. You know, don't go looking for trouble.
0:16:55: Yeah, I think that, um, most of the lawmen would not go for pistols they'd use sold off shotguns. So.
0:17:02: Oh, yeah. Good point. Good point. So, um, you should have been carrying. But, yeah, you know, it's not like everybody was carrying a gun in the west. It's just like, now, you know, I live in Japan so Japanese people tend to assume every American owns a gun which isn't the case.
0:17:18: It's not. But I can see why they get there because every day it's a shooting maybe it's because some people own, like an arsenal. So that makes it for the rest of us. I don't know.
0:17:29: Yeah, I, you know, I wonder, like, per capita, how many guns per capita in the United States? I would be curious to know that statistic because, yeah, I imagine people who do have guns. It's, it's sort of like tattoos. You don't just have one. You probably have a few.
0:17:42: Yeah. I mean, there are weird random acts of violence in Japan. So, uh, the, the third headline a few days ago or last week was something like 90 year old man. Hammers, 78 no, 93 year old man, uh, hammer, 78 year old neighbor to death because he was annoyed with him.
0:18:01: But that, that's the, that's the top headline news. So, I guess. Yeah.
0:18:05: Wow. So it's not guns but occasional violence with other things that can be used as weapons in Japan people snapping. That's right.
0:18:14: Well, that is the most dangerous thing when people are unhinged.
0:18:18: Right. Right. Exactly. Um, who knows what a crazy old, very old man will do sometimes.
0:18:24: Um.
0:18:25: Right. Is he a sound mind and judgment?
0:18:28: I'm gonna guess not. But, uh, yeah, it didn't really get to that level of detail in the article.
0:18:34: No, I imagine not.
0:18:37: The other thing I really thought about watching this episode was the, was, was the Bloody Mary game, you know, kids daring each other. Do you Bloody Mary? Did you, do you know, know this? Remember this? Did you play this kind of, is it sort of like, uh, oh, I double dog dare you that sort of thing? And you're supposed to know, twirl in the dark bathroom and look in the mirror with a candle, say Bloody Mary and then Bloody Mary is supposed to appear in the, in the, um, in your mirror or something. I don't quite remember. Ok.
0:19:06: I don't know if I played that game. Exactly. It reminds me of like the Biggie Smalls thing in the mirror. You know, you say Biggie smells three times. He appears.
0:19:13: Ok.
0:19:14: Is it like that? It's exactly that. It's just like, let's, let's make it cooler and, and not do it with, with, um, you know, Mary Queen of Scott. Now, I think that was the bloody Mary if I remember. Correct.
0:19:24: Ok. So Biggie Smalls has taken her place. Got it.
0:19:28: Yeah.
0:19:29: Yeah, that's hysterical.
0:19:31: So that's how, that's how Secession works. Mary Queen of Scots. Them Big Smalls. We'll see who's next.
0:19:37: Yeah. Like, I don't know, 100 years from now. It'll be somebody else entirely, somebody who doesn't even exist yet.
0:19:44: The other thing. And this, this wasn't actually so much humor with the amount that all of the townsfolk are just projecting their fear onto Lee Marvin is again, I funny, you know, it kind of is because, ok, one, you have a lot of these guys in the bar who did the shooting, even though we don't know who is, whose bullet actually got him.
0:20:06: But yet there is that fear, but they weren't too scared to shoot him.
0:20:13: Yeah. And I, meanwhile, I, I wrote the, the line here with, um, with, with Sheriff Rosco. He was like, you hit me and you hurt me.
0:20:22: I loved that line.
0:20:25: I really like that character too. He's, you know, he's, he's like the one sensitive cowboy in this, in this whole town who actually has some feelings. He's not totally kneels of, or nerves of steel.
0:20:38: You can catch more of him in seasons of the Dukes of Hazard.
0:20:42: Yeah. He just wants to play his guitar and have a nice life and not work too hard. I understand. Dude. I get you.
0:20:50: He doesn't understand it. Once the Hazard brothers are out in their car, a show that hasn't aged well and probably wasn't aging well when they made it.
0:21:02: I remember loving it when I was five though. So, you know, but yeah, I was five. I didn't know what I was looking at. Ok. And, and I'm from Atlanta. I mean, I, I, I keep saying on this podcast we, they didn't take the Confederate battle flag off of our flat state flag till like the mid nineties.
0:21:20: It was a long time. Yeah.
0:21:22: And we weren't the last to do it. Uh South Carolina or Mississippi or somebody was even later. So it's kind of wild. So, yeah.
0:21:31: Well, America's definitely taken its time trying to get over its, its original sin slavery and we're still working on that.
0:21:40: Right. Right. But yeah, so red necking isn't quite as cool, but this not nicely. This, he's not a redneck here. So, yes, he's very likable in this one.
0:21:48: Um Yeah, although he, he goes for the most obvious lame reverse psychology bit like ever.
0:21:55: Well, yeah, this is true.
0:21:59: That, that's, I think that's where I started thinking about yellow belly.
0:22:04: It was like that level of, kind of goofy. Um, yeah, it was a little goofy.
0:22:12: And then the weird thing. Well, how do we know you did it? And I'm, like, too bad. They didn't have a gopro, they could have solved this real fast. But, uh, yeah, we're a little off in years for that. But, yeah, seriously. Even a camera, they, they didn't really have that technology either.
0:22:29: Yeah. Well, not at night and it takes 20 minutes, I guess. Right.
0:22:33: I don't know if that would have worked out because you got the old timey western, uh, photo studios, but you have to stand there for like a five minute exposure. Right. So. Right.
0:22:43: Yikes, I mean, which would have been fine for the night. But like you said at night, uh, I'm, I'm not sure if they were capable of getting that.
0:22:51: I just have one more observation. Um, the, uh, I, I, I think I got it right finally. Um, man, she, she bounces back. She had zero hangover the next morning, man. Right. She was feeling good.
0:23:07: So, ok, I have a couple of theories on that too. Either. She's like, still drunk and the hangover hasn't hit yet. Like you just keep drinking to keep, avoid the hangover, uh, or she wasn't actually drinking that and she plays a really good drunk.
0:23:23: I, I did write in my notes. Uh, she, I think, yeah, that's some fine drunk acting. So, no, I meant the acting but, hey, the character would have been acting as well. So, maybe, maybe they both were, but it was fine drunk acting. Absolutely.
0:23:37: Oh. Oh, yeah. Ok. One more.
0:23:39: I, I, I totally noticed, um, the, the, the room for the grave set, like, I'm watching it on blu-ray where it's just like in way better fidelity than I think it was ever supposed to be viewed. And I'm like, I could see the creases in the wall.
0:23:54: I notice that too.
0:23:56: Yeah, I mean, I understand this was older TV. And they, the budget I'm sure was not there to make this a top notch production. But these are so obviously sets and, yeah, I, I see the crease and then it's windy and I'm like, well, now that I see the corner that I also see the wind with machines that are just off camera, you know.
0:24:18: Right.
0:24:19: I mean, I find that charming, you know, but yeah, it's just like, again, I don't, you were supposed to watch this on like a, um, you know, Cathode Ray TV. And I, you would never have noticed on that. So. Oh, no, not at all. Yeah, let me go ahead and start throwing out. Uh, did you have any big observations you want to make before I, uh throw some questions out.
0:24:41: Oh, golly. Uh, they love the line. Look at what the wind blew in. It's like the wind is a character in this episode, but I made the wind machine a character for sure, didn't I?
0:24:54: Yeah, absolutely.
0:24:56: So I was wondering, I, I have this in my notes. Uh, are they trying to set Connie up?
0:25:03: You know, is that why they're doing the bed? Is that why it was so obvious the, the whole ploy and is that like, were they planning on how this was gonna go down and did they know it was going to happen for some reason? I was hoping there was going to be some sort of ching moment and, and there, it kind of was there and it kind of wasn't, it just depends on what you think really happened.
0:25:26: But the fact that uh Lee Marvin plays his character so seriously and it's almost like, like I, I guess he almost has like anger issues in a way with some sort of settled. He has to settle the score with Pinto and we don't even know exactly what it is.
0:25:43: Um Yeah, yeah, I just, I wasn't entirely sure what this was all about. So I, I kept theorizing, I kept wondering, OK, what, what's the angle on this whole thing?
0:25:55: And it was also a slow mover? So I thought like, is this supposed to be suspense? Is it a thriller? Like, are we gonna get a real gotcha moment at the end and again, I guess it's an all in how you interpret it. Right.
0:26:10: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the nice amount of twilight zone is that I was just read another book where it's like, talking about how, you know, if you want suspense and mystery, you have Alfred Hitchcock prevent presents if you want sci, like straight sci-fi all the time and monsters and ailings, you get the outer limits, you know, there's terror for, for terror, but the twilight zone just kind of sits between all of those so it can kind of get away with anything.
0:26:33: Right. And if, I suppose it also depends on whether or not you believe in the supernatural because if you do, you might be more creeped out by this ending and how it goes down. If you don't, then it's more like a detective story. I, I think what really happened. You're trying to deduce the real, the movements.
0:26:51: Well, I mean, Lee Marvin does flip out a little bit at the end once, you know, he, he's scaring himself or whatever. Right.
0:26:58: Right. So you could go that way. That was actually played really well.
0:27:02: I was like his pants, his fans aren't dry anymore, you know, he really might have scared himself to death.
0:27:11: The look on his face, you know, gave it away. So, yeah. Yeah, it was really well done. I like that and I really liked, oh, I forget her name who played I own?
0:27:22: Oh, I can get that real quick.
0:27:25: My bad. I did not do Ellen will.
0:27:27: Ok. I'm surprised she didn't have any more screen credits, like, or, like, besides the handful that you mentioned, just like she seems like a decent enough actress. Like, she was a memorable character for what little she had to do here.
0:27:43: Yeah. The second time I watched it I was like, jeez, she's a little better than someone who just showed up on about 10 productions around 1960.
0:27:51: But, you know, maybe, maybe she didn't like acting. You know, it's not for everybody.
0:27:55: That's possible.
0:27:56: That's possible. Not into it. It's like I made a couple of cool things. Uh But yeah, this is apparently like you look at the week, it's like she's known for being in this episode of the grave, basically. So that's interesting.
0:28:10: But those are my observations. That's pretty much what I have in my notes. I didn't take tons of notes on this one.
0:28:16: It's a 25 minute show. It doesn't, you don't really have to, you know, but usually, I don't know. The first time I did this show, I had a lot of commentary and this one, I'm just like, uh-huh, uh-huh.
0:28:27: Well, OK, we're gonna get to some big moment here any time now.
0:28:31: The big moment as he gets started by his own cloak.
0:28:35: Yeah. Excuse me, I did put into uh I, I quoted the slower he ran away, the slower you chased him.
0:28:42: It remind me of, uh, kind of how people describe Baywatch, which is the faster you run, the slower you go.
0:28:51: Kind of like that. I have a great slow sprint that I'll, I'll use in classes sometimes because, you know, you're showing kids a time activity but you want to, like, not, um, you know, so I just, and they, they think it's hysterical because I'm in full sprint but going nowhere or going very slowly. So I get that.
0:29:11: Maybe you think of the um that's, that's what, at least in the, the Lego Batman movie, that's what the, the joker keeps wanting Batman to do, right? Just chase me a little more slowly. But let's keep the chase. I mean, well, any, any joker really, I guess is always, always obsessed with the chase but doesn't want to.
0:29:27: Yeah, it's all in the thrill of the chase, I guess. Maybe that's what these two were doing.
0:29:32: Yeah. Yeah. This could have been your wild west, you know, Batman and Joker basically. So maybe, maybe who in this episode would you say went into the Twilight zone?
0:29:44: Oh, it depends. I think it was like, or Johnny boy, I'm not sure why, why, why. Um I, I, I think just because she's the most mysterious character honestly of anybody in this story.
0:30:05: I don't completely know her motive. She is more up for grabs to be a loose Cannon.
0:30:12: She's definitely a loose canon, which I guess for me that makes her feel like of the Twilight zone, you know?
0:30:19: Ok, that's fair.
0:30:21: The, uh, which the idea of being some people enter the Twilight Zone and then you have some characters that are just already there. So, yeah. Ok. Maybe, uh, who would you nominate, who went into the Twilight Zone?
0:30:33: Um, well, um, you know, there's an argument for if it, I guess if it ends in death here in the Twilight zone. Right? So, I, I, yeah, I, I felt like Connie is like kind of the, you know, clear choice here and, and, and the town to some extent that they're living in their fear, but, uh, people can do that relatively. That's the Real World Twilight Zone even get stuck in. So that's true enough. Right? So, but he, he def the face he has in the raver when he's flipping out is definitely like him in the Twilight zone because there's nothing there.
0:31:08: He is, like you said, he's scaring himself to death.
0:31:12: So, yeah, and if, in fact, that is what happened, then that is a very convincing argument.
0:31:17: And, um, but I'll put my second question for I own and Connie, uh, do they deserve their trips through the Twilight Zone? Let, let's start with who, who I guess my deserve is like, well, she's part of it. So that, that was my take. But, uh, yeah, so she's there like, that's the way that is for her, that's her existence.
0:31:36: But for, for Connie, I don't know, I don't know if he deserved to be scared to death or not. Just because I don't know the full back story of Pam and Pinto, he was ready to shoot a man dead. He just, he was late.
0:31:52: Yeah.
0:31:54: Yeah. And since the townspeople took it upon themselves, like, yeah, I don't know. Are they trying to get rid of Connie? Is that it? It's like we did your job for you. So off, you go.
0:32:05: So now this episode would be called the gas lighting.
0:32:09: Yeah, I do like the idea that the entire town is gaslighting guy.
0:32:15: You know, they really are. It's like everybody is so afraid to go to the grave site. Why is Connie not afraid? You know, why are they double dog daring him to do it?
0:32:26: We've had 40 years of this guy enough. We can make a town plan. We can, we can come together to make this happen.
0:32:33: Yeah. I, I think they're all conspiring against Connie trying to just run him out of town, which is hysterical.
0:32:41: I'm gonna have to watch this again and look at it in a funny context. I think I'm going to enjoy it like 12 times more and laugh by laughing at it and just sitting back rather than trying to analyze what might really be going on because that's where my brain goes. That I would recommend that because the first time I watch this I was like, oh, did I hand you, like, kind of like a duffer one? It doesn't have much to talk about. The second, the second time I was just, like, giggling. I'm like, this is great.
0:33:09: I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna have to do that. So, uh, for, for the listener. Yeah. Give it a review too and, uh, just, just pretend you're watching, uh, S C TV or, or, you know, I guess Saturday Night Live does that sort of stuff too. If you need more, the better known headline.
0:33:23: Yeah. Yeah. Mentally get yourself in that place. You'll have a good time.
0:33:27: Um, my trip, a meter or the trip a meter, I shouldn't claim what, I guess I can't claim it but, uh, it's 0 to 5. Of course, five is very trippy. Zero is not trippy at all. Where would you like to place this one?
0:33:39: Hm.
0:33:41: You know, I really wanted this to be super trippy and it wasn't, not for me. I'm giving it a one.
0:33:47: Yeah. Yeah, I feel like westerns often have, I have trouble giving higher ratings to westerns. I find westerns to generally be like, you know, the antithesis of my version of Troy at least.
0:34:00: Yeah. Like I was really hoping for some really creeped out supernatural extravaganza here and that's not what we got here. That's not what the story was.
0:34:08: It's not the story's fault. It's my fault for wanting that. But I figured the grave we're going to be in a graveyard. It's gonna kick ass. We're gonna have a lot of ghost action and there really wasn't El Topo. There's a trippy western just in case someone's screaming at, at their, at their divisive listening at the moment.
0:34:26: It's not like they only exist but yeah, like dust and I, I do feel like westerns come across a lot better in black and white because when they're in color, typically everything's brown. I don't like that. Yeah. Yeah.
0:34:39: Yeah, they need to be black and white. Right. Yeah. So for me, the, the weird kind of heightened vibe of the acting from pretty much everyone in this episode, I thought that was trippy and I thought the death was, like, so ridiculously stupid that, that actually put up me to giving this one a three for myself. Wow. Because of the Darwin award.
0:35:05: Yeah. Yeah. I'm just like, I, I, you know, this, there's no way to end. I mean, we could get the jump scare of like, a hand coming out. But that, that's too stupid for the twilights. And my suspense really was like, how are they gonna end this? Because he can't just, like, actually come out of the grave. There has to be some weird ambiguity and, uh, they found a totally sil, almost silly way to do it.
0:35:29: Yeah. Just like, oh, wow. That if that's the way that went. That's really embarrassing for him.
0:35:34: But it's still played, you know, seriously. Right. So, yeah. Yeah.
0:35:39: Yeah, straight laced.
0:35:41: But, yeah, again, uh, when, if you, if you want to laugh at, not laugh at Lee Marvin, laugh with him, laugh at Connie, you can laugh at Connie. Um, you, you can actually do that quite easily. Um, so, yeah, just because he goes out and it's like the least dignified bad guy. Well, not bad guy, but like, you know, badass guy, I'm a cowboy kind of way because in, in five years the, as, as the cattle towns died down and all that sort of stuff that's gonna be, ah, yeah, that Pinto, he, he took down the law man that couldn't quite get him from the grave that always late, got strangled by his own cloak.
0:36:20: Yeah, Pinto is a legend. Now he's, he's building the kid, right? And, um, he can kill people from the grave. That guy. And Connie is a man named Connie. I guess it's not as bad as sue. But it, it just had me thinking, yeah. And it's granted it's not spelled C O N N I E like most female Connie.
0:36:39: It's C O N N Y but even so, yeah.
0:36:43: Yeah. I don't know. It's not a, it's not a, it's not like an Eddie or a Bill kind of super macho name.
0:36:53: Yeah. For, for the, for the stone faced law man, it's a bit of a weird choice, but it is so many weird choices in this episode that, the more I'm talking about, the more I'm like, ok, this is, this is a comedy episode. Uh, look, it is more weird than Meets the Eye then.
0:37:10: And also as a Star Trek fan, Connie obviously makes me think of Con Con.
0:37:17: Yeah. Con, when you pay your economy, what you being like. Yes.
0:37:27: Yeah. Or nay, like horse. It kind of has an interesting entendre there.
0:37:31: Yeah. Yeah, that's cool.
0:37:33: I think we'll, we'll, we'll pitch up the horses then, ah, a, any final points you want to throw out?
0:37:41: No, I think that's about it. That's all the wind blew in.
0:37:45: All right. Um, what do you put in the podcasting sphere? I guess, I guess eventually you're going to be talking about prodigy again when that shows up again.
0:37:53: Well, you know what, uh, Norman and I just today recorded an episode of Mission Log Prodigy where we're doing like a between seasons episode as, as much and as often as we can, we did another product review for the first Star Trek Prodigy book.
0:38:11: And so we talked about that today. It's called Supernova and it's, I mean, it, it, it's not the same exact story as supernova. Part one and two. The episodes. There is some connection though. I'll say that much. And so that was great. We're going to continue trying to do things in the, in between just because there is going to be such a long gap between the end of season one and the start of, end of season two at, at the end of this year that's in, it's here. I, I hadn't heard a date on that. What is, is that a comic book? A young reader book? An actual novel?
0:38:42: Oh, it's a young adult book.
0:38:44: I mean, it's geared for ages roughly 8 to 12. But even as a grown adult I enjoyed reading it.
0:38:50: No, I mean, the great thing about project is really, I mean, when people ask me, um, my first thing is just usually, do you like tick?
0:38:59: The answer is yes, you will love prodigy if, if you're like, I'm not like a little chance maybe. But I'm so glad they're doing the books one because Star Trek has a nice steep tradition of having novels. But also any reason to get kids reading doesn't matter if it's a TV, show thing or not get kids to read.
0:39:20: No, I've, I've been mainlining some Trek books the past few months because, uh, thanks to, to date and word Facebook who at the start of every month will make a post of the, um, whatever the 99 cent Amazon Star Trek novels are that month. So, oh, nice, cool, quite new. Like the, there was the, uh, three part, that book series that ended the novel, verse.
0:39:43: I got all those for 99 cents a few months now. They're like, yeah, now they're like, but, yeah, for a month they 99.
0:39:52: So I was like, ok, I guess I'm gonna read that now.
0:39:55: Wow. Oh, shoot, I missed out on that and make sure you look at Dayton, Facebook page at the start of the month. Yeah, I, I'm not on Facebook. See, I do miss things by not being on social media that much. But honestly, I don't know, am I am I?
0:40:11: Yeah, I mean, I go back and forth on that all the time. I basically just use the messenger on Facebook. But you know, they give you the same five people, most of which are trick people now. So your feed.
0:40:23: Yeah, the algorithm knows you. Yes. Uh As for this, it's Time enough podcast. We're on Twitter, we're on Facebook under time enough pod and we are under the Patreon umbrella of podcast podcast is where you can support us for a dollar or two. Um in April this month, this month right now, we are kicking off a new podcast uh while we will still occasionally talk about sci-fi films. We've taken the top 100 movies as rated on I M DB and the top, the bottom 100 movies as rated on I M DB. And we're gonna go through all of them.
0:41:01: It's uh films are f films are filth. This can of podcasting where we decide if the film is film or, or filth so nice. I love that. And that's an ambitious project.
0:41:14: Yeah, when I was making the dates I, I, I, I had a few office hours. Let's put it that way. And I was like, ok, I'm now making, I'm now writing 2026 next to movies. I think I should probably just stop this for now and not go insane.
0:41:28: Oh, girl, why does that seem so far away? It's really not. But years don't happen anymore, right. So, yeah, concept of time is totally messed up and I should throw out. You can also hear some video game stuff about, um, Pokemon. Luke love Pokemon. I think they're getting a, a, um, Zelda podcast worked up now. So if anyone's into those games, they will talk about that stuff. Um, I've been calling it High Rule, honey, I'm home, which I'm sure is not the name of the podcast, but I don't know what it is yet. So, and that, and, and that name is, is courtesy of, um, not, not my sharp brain, but regular guest here came up with that one.
0:42:15: Not, not me. So could give credit where it's due.
0:42:19: Ok, I wanna, you know what? I, I do walk past graves almost every night because I walk home, you know, you got a temple at a grave site. So I'm not, I'm not gonna stop by one and slam a Bowie knife into it though. So, you know, oh, I thought that's maybe why you were brought it up. I, I have a butter knife. I do a butter knife.
0:42:40: Try it. See what happens.
0:42:42: Just don't wear a cloak.
0:42:44: Good, good, good call. I don't know. I carry, I carry a travel guitar around most of the time. So that might get around my neck. So, well, if you're like, not online for a couple of days, we'll have somebody check on, you, go check the grave sites.
0:42:59: Yeah, we'll know what happened when man and shot up the town with his, you go, he cut them down.
0:43:13: His eyes were wide and his teeth were white, had to lose and a was with his raffle in hand and had to kill because he had to be taught them in the service how to kill them. Right?
0:43:40: Mean had the, we had to fight, it was turning green and the cars began to move.
0:44:01: Man was coming there with things. He had to prove off the bear.
0:44:08: He pulled the trigger tay and he had the news till he had debate.
0:44:17: He shot him seven people on the street. I knew what happened. Friends, they'd never meet. His mission was not, it was a bloody sight. Had the news. So he had to fight Lee signs pierced the crowd. I did it all. He said the rifle told him and blasted off his head. No one cared about the boy that night and we had to fight