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0:00:40: Hello, Welcome to Time enough podcast. It's a podcast where we get into all the episodes of the twilight zone and beyond this is matt here joining me today from, should we call it mission log prime? The main star trek feeding mission log is john there you go. Fair enough. Mission, Mission log prime here from Fabulous Roddenberry World headquarters in beautiful downtown North Hollywood. Not even downtown North Hollywood, but we are in Burbank boulevard in North Hollywood. Okay, so now they know where to find you and you exactly something horrible today.

0:01:19: So today we are having a look at the episode uh static almost to the end of our video tape run. It's five out of six for this one. Uh so I just, that's the trivia I just said there because I didn't, I stopped putting it to videotape episode of my trivia because I quit noticing, I guess right, Yeah, yeah. five out of six. And, and honestly like the change in quality is always kind of a weird thing to get used to or to remind yourself of when you hit that string of six episodes. But I always like looking for the little tricks that that are cool that they could carry off with video, you know, so now it's a little bit of a mixed bag when you get to those. Yeah, yeah. How you block it. You might get something a little different or something, you know, a weird reveal. Yeah, as we do in this one. Yeah, I think I'm going to go back, I was like saying 22 really should have been on filming and I should have, but now the more I think about like that, that was a good video one.

0:02:20: Give it a gauzy, you know, nightmarish quality. Right?

0:02:26: As for this episode, the original air date was March 10th, 1961. Script is by Charles Beaumont though the original story is credited to an Oaky Rich I guess. Oh see I don't really know Oc Oc Rich, I'm not quite sure.

0:02:43: Yeah, sure Dean Yeager played and Lindsay Wagner went from leaping studios in the studio period working as a contract man for paramount 20th century Fox in MGm culminating in a best supporting actor win for 12 o'clock high. He later had a run on the tv show Mr Novak and had his final appearance on the season three finale for cheers, wow, that's yeah, that's quite a run.

0:03:14: It's like I definitely know the name and I'm saying Dean Yeager. Right, it's not jagger. Yeah, I just know that somehow from pop culture, you know Savant is um or something. Right, Right, Vinnie Brown was played by Carmen Mathews, she started off with stage Shakespeare but she also made a name for herself on television. She appeared in multiple episodes of Alfred Hitchcock presents as well as guest spots on the fugitive and the 150th episode of Mash, the Affable Professor Ackerman was played by robert M Hart. He typically played more villainous roles, doing all the wrong things in films such as 3 10 to Yuma and Underworld U.S.A.

0:04:01: Okay as always, I'm gonna give you the prologue but I think I have to like work you into this one a little bit because the prologue itself is kind of a response this week. Yeah. Which I love, I love the blending of the, you know, kind of breaking the fourth wall and rod being on set there. So I'll kind of lead you into that. Hey mister, what's that?

0:04:24: Okay, well, and then it then it's uh it's like, I've never seen a radio like that. Right. Yeah. Never, never seen a radio like that. No one ever saw one quite like that because that's a very special sort of radio and its day circa 1935. Its type was one of the most elegant consoles on the market now with its fabric covered speakers. It's peculiar yellow dial, its serrated knobs, it looks quaint and a little strange.

0:04:55: Mr Ed Lindsay is going to find out how strange very soon when he tunes into the twilight zone.

0:05:03: All right, So my first thought on this episode, which I do like, but out of all the episodes of the twilight zone so far, I'd say this one is the most anachronistic if you showed this to someone under 30, it barely makes sense, I think.

0:05:20: Yeah. Well, you know, it's interesting you say that because I I think that is honestly you're right, and then that kind of is the point because the theme in this is about the disconnect as technology and the world changes around us and then how we kind of get lost in the comfort of our nostalgia and the things that make sense to us. Um So, yes, and it's not just with the technology, but just the mere setting Where they are like trying to figure out how a boarding house works and who lives there and why they'd be there for 20 years and there's uh you know, uh an unfulfilled relationship. They're like, it's so strange just to kind of wrap your head around the physical location and the time.

0:06:15: Yeah, I mean, I feel like people now just get roommates most of the time, it's not such a boardinghouse situation. Um I'm thinking, I'm thinking the closest I got to that was when I was about 22 23 24 doing environmental education, working on site, and basically a group of 10 to 15 teachers, you know, the bit kind of a boarding house situation. So Yeah, well that's the thing is usually something with students or like a work type situation where you're talking about a limited run for a specific purpose, not just a place, an adult with a job would live for 20 years with, you know, a half dozen other adults doing the same thing, you know, because it's sort of it's almost a throwback to, you know, there were times when a lot of people lived in hotels and I think that's just such a fascinating thing that practically nobody does today, but there was a time that a lot of people just lived in a hotel and I kind of get it, like you get all your services, are there taken care of and you know, you need to get a meal where there's the hotel restaurant and you know, there's a certain kind of comfort and convenience to that.

0:07:31: Well, I just saw it was a Youtube video or it might have been one of those cora emails that you get, which was anyway, the gist of it was someone saying like I'm I'm an ex addict, I'm relatively poor, but I stumbled in a situation where I basically get to stay in this hotel room for 12 years because right before the pandemic, he paid like something like $8000 and basically has this place for a dozen years now. So now I guess it's still pa possible to live in a hotel. I know, I think it's L.A. Talking about using empty hotel rooms for homeless or whatnot. Yeah, that and um the former L a hospital is now being converted for for use for a new housed people and I think that's great. Um But yeah this is just kind of like you get the sense that it's an old house. We don't quite get where um but this old house and you you've got, I think the weirdest part about it is you have this man in his probably early to mid sixties, something like that.

0:08:39: It's kind of hard to tell like you never quite know because people's age looked a little different usually through the lens of you know, a T.V. Show that 60 plus years old. Um So you've got somebody of a certain age and then this woman that it is revealed they had this potential love affair 20 years ago and just neither of them pulled the trigger and yet they both stayed in the same place, stayed in that same house.

0:09:07: Yeah. I mean as a guy sitting here in Japan, I always had like the driving urge to get out of my hometown, not because I dislike my hometown. I guess just for me, like subconsciously a feeling of success is, you know, not ending up where you were reared. Yeah. Yeah. No, I get that totally. I mean I'm not in Tokyo but I mean I'm in L.A. Compared to where I grew up and where I went to school in Birmingham and new york and Chicago and just kind of bounced around because you're carving that thing out for yourself a little farther away a little further away. That was my drivers like south Carolina than pennsylvania than Canada. And then finally not Tokyo with Japan but there you go. But the radio in this episode is uh just 2025 years old. So I'm looking around my room and I'm like this computer is 12 years old like 20 years. Doesn't seem like that long. Um I am sitting in a room that has about as many cds as tower records and a bunch of guitars.

0:10:11: So more than tower records now I should say Tower records is alive and kicking is alive and kicking in Japan. It was only about 2019 when their stocks started to get depressing so.

0:10:22: Oh interesting but you can still pop into one so it's just there's their classical selection is still good. But yeah it's like it's all like pop in a couple of pop accident. Hey I know I had a good time. I went to Tower in Tokyo and I think I went to maybe at the time there was still like a virgin or H.M.V. Or something and and that was an important stop for me to get music specifically in that store that I probably wouldn't be exposed to in the U.S. So like that that was a critical thing. I'm bummed that we don't have massive record stores here anymore. They're just gone you know.

0:11:02: Yeah. Um And then I'm thinking Tommy Dorsey's listening to 20 year old. Recording 20 that's like hearing like the strokes on Snl now right? It doesn't seem like that long ago like last night I was listening to the tyrannosaurus rex album right? It's 55 years old now, right? But you see that's kind of the weird thing though because Like some technology so okay if we try to understand how radically different a 20 year old technology is to something that we would have now. Okay. Yeah. You and I could use a computer that's more than 10 years old pretty easily. And things aren't that that different? But you know a a smartphone, a modern smartphone compared to you know a rotary dial phone that we definitely had on the wall at my parents house 20 years ago. Like those are pretty radically different or I guess like an electric car now, pretty common in L.A.

0:12:04: Compared to 20 years ago. Where just that would have been uh you know a weird experimental thing. Um So I I kind of get it when it comes to some technology but music especially is not one of those things that just ages itself out of existence that quickly. And I think well maybe especially now because we have at our fingertips access to practically every song ever recorded. But even then, you know even in the late fifties, early sixties, you could still play a record that was recorded 20 years prior, you know where where when I was a kid in the eighties, you know, I could put on an album that my parents bought in the sixties or early seventies like that. That doesn't change. The access to older music doesn't change. But this is almost like a back to the future thing where nobody had heard of her rerun.

0:13:02: You know, like how could you possibly hear Tommy Dorsey on the radio? Well, because he was an internationally successful artist who had tons of recordings made and you could just play that and broadcast it. That's not that hard to figure out.

0:13:17: So, I found it much uh spookier or whatever when, when they're like, here's the President FDR. That's something that might more likely be ephemeral. Like maybe they didn't record like every address, every fireside chat the man made. You know, so hearing that. So, I am thinking if I, if I turned on the radio and had like, you know, here's President Clinton making a speech. I mean, I can see that in contact as well, right? But the live feel that might be a little different I guess. Because that's the news.

0:13:47: Yeah, Yeah, exactly. Well, the, the new stuff was interesting. But again, like for somebody now, you know, you can go to Youtube, you can go wherever and just go like, oh, I want to see this broadcast from this day in whatever historic period, that thing was recorded like that. Again, you wouldn't think twice about that. Like, oh, I need to go watch an air check from, you know, NBC news on 9 11. Okay. That that's easy to do that. That is a very easy bit of research to pull up now. But in 1960 that would have been really radical. Um, part of the, the, I guess the change in everyone's mind frame, not not even halfway through. I just started the book about two days ago, but chuck Klosterman, uh, new book the nineties, which has just kind of breaking down like, what was it, what was it culturally and the chapter.

0:14:44: Yeah, but one of the, one of the chapters on movies, you know, and it seems obvious once he starts talking about. But the proliferation of the video stores allowed us all to start deconstructing the movies. Like now if you go to the movie theater and there's this bad film with one really good thing in it. You're just like, I saw a bad film. But when you have the video store it's like, well this bad film has this cool thing. This bad film has this cool thing. I'm going to put it all together and you get pop fiction, you know, a movie movie that's not trying to be Like not trying to make a philosophical statement, not trying to be like the ultimate crime movie. It's a movie as he says in the book, trying to be a movie. Yeah. That's something that maybe the 1960 mindset is definitely lacking, which is why people are a little more surprised here. Right. Right. Yeah, fascinating spin on that, of that idea.

0:15:38: Um I I do like, you know, once he gets obsessed with this radio, his uh what are we gonna call?

0:15:45: Um Vinnie his, it's like it's not quite a lost love, she's still in his life. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to say the once and future girlfriend in the parallel timeline. I mean it's it's complicated and they weren't, they weren't roommates or boarding house buddies, but I remember like my aunt having sort of like, you know, that kind of relationship with the once and future boyfriend sort of guy that was, you know, always around to. It wasn't right. Yeah. You know, I guess the boarding house parts weird, but you know that's where the thing happens. She's certainly comfortable enough to throw away his stuff though is my main point. So that's yeah, that that's a little serious, like the investment that other people have and what he's doing seems a little strange and and the fact that they would actually go to that trouble to take his property and say like, oh yeah, you know, we we got rid of it. That's a little presumptuous. Yeah, I think I think my comic book collection is still at my parents house.

0:16:46: I don't think they've thrown it away yet um now about a year or two ago I did catch my my wife trying to clean house and she had tried to throw away my full size cookie monster puppet and garbage and I was like cookie monster and lots and lots of bear was there totally, you don't throw away a lot. So bear, he'll come back and kill you in your sleep.

0:17:06: Of course I did let her get rid of several of the stuffed animals with a view. I was like, no, we don't, we don't get rid of the cookie monster that's at work now. So I saw students with it. He's like, what's your favorite food? And and if they say anything but cookies will like start to like assault them.

0:17:23: Your answer is the most disturbing part is 75% of the kids just change your answer to cookie. But I guess as as well, you know, look, my coworker says, well they do have a grown man telling them now they're terrified of cookie monster. Way to go. Yeah, should be terrified. The cookie monster actually, there was one class where I was told don't bring the cookie monster because the six year old girl is terrified of the cookie monster.

0:17:54: How can you be terrified of the cookie monster? Right.

0:17:59: Um, and I'm looking, yeah, sorry, I had a oh, here we go. The other thing I put is of course she refers to him as being the meanest sauer ist, most cantankerous old man, which I guess today equals hipster a little bit, you know, it's interesting, you say hipster and he's got this vintage radio that he's so uh married to. I I had a question in my notes, i is this guy the ultimate gatekeeping Fanboy, um that he has decided what is the only true art form delivered in the only true medium?

0:18:39: Uh, and and anything else that doesn't live up to that standard is subpar and has no room in his life.

0:18:49: And and he and he's perfectly willing and happy to tell that to anybody who's within earshot.

0:18:56: Yeah, I'm thinking about, you know, our our musical tastes because he's like Dorsey or nothing, right? None of that. None of that damn rock and roll on the radio. Um yeah, I don't I don't know if it's that age thing everyone talks about or the fact that um, you know, record releases have become so fractal eyes that, you know, we don't have, like the big record anymore, but I'm like, I think about 23 years ago that a little bit pre pandemic, I finally fell off the looking for new music train. You know, I'll look at I'll look at pitchfork, which is kind of their own sort of gatekeeper, but I was so glad just to see what they're reviewing that day. And um, one if it's something I know, I'm going to guess like muse album, that's gonna be 3.5, I click on, it's like 3.5, you know, I'm like, you know, they can't like muse, right? But something like that, but you know, a lot of I don't recognize and and I can't think of any, like now I'm the cantankerous old, I can't think of any recent releases that really, you know, I took a shine to. So that way, maybe I'm getting a little bit like this guy, I don't know well and of course he he does that, he says like, you know those those he refers to plays and music, like that's when they really meant something was in the thirties, forties, you know, that that's his period and of course here we are in 20 twenties, looking back at the sixties and we can look at a show like the twilight zone and go, oh that's when shows actually meant something or or what else was on at that period, during that golden age of tv.

0:20:27: Uh but you know, of course the irony is that in the 19 forties when a guy like frank Sinatra was first coming up and he was, you know, like 19 years old, He was the teen heartthrob and that that kind of music and his image was absolutely disturbing to the adults in the room, you know, the 40, 50 year year olds who had been born before the turn of the century, they were horrified at this, you know meaningless noise that the kids are listening to these days, you know, so every generation has that of course then there's also the pop trash aspect. Um I said last time I was in Tower Records in Tokyo, it was kind of like um I actually didn't stay very long because uh nearby there's a we still have rental stores by the way. That's weird video stores and there's one about a five minute walk away from here and they were just hemorrhaging um rental C.D.S.

0:21:30: And it was you know like specific like you know things that nobody wants a more like 50 I got 50 cents for 50 cents, that sort of thing. But it was like music from about let's say 2020 15. Uh So I have all this insane dancehall reggae, some some stupid pop stuff, some whole bunch of like soul and hip hop and some other stuff and a lot of them like well in 2007 I probably wouldn't have liked it. The production would have been too shiny. It was to pop but now it's great. This is awesome. You know. Yeah. Yeah. Well I I think what we're hitting on is this thing that is so universally appealing about this episode is that that we all get it. Like even if you're a young person watching this episode you get the trope of the older generation who doesn't understand this newfangled technology or this newfangled music and if you're somebody who has lived through that like You and I can look at music that we listen to 20 years ago, 30 years ago and make a comparison to what's out now or at the time we were making a comparison to what came before.

0:22:40: Like all of this is just so universally related that it's kind of brilliant. It's just played to like the the highest degree here and there's something else, you know, as I get older that I also relate to in this episode, I have this very real fear of being left behind by technology. Like I I consider myself pretty technically savvy and I've got a lot of uh you know, computerized automated things around me that I use all the time every day. But like there could come a point where all of that is supplanted by something else and that's this guy having grown up with radio and then tv shows up and your whole relationship to tv is something different from your relationship to radio and he's he's left out. He doesn't get it. He not only does he not like the content, he doesn't like the way that people sit there and watch it like just from the get go.

0:23:40: He is not happy about that at all.

0:23:43: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Um The other thing in this episode really I guess is all of the borders are you know like comically addicted to the television. They bought into the new technology. Um and and it seems almost still in here, but it's a thing I remember hanging out with the punk rockers around the year 2000 and I thought we were going to go out and raise hell, but they just wanted to sit around and watch law and order it, sit there and watch a law and order marathon like hey, aren't, aren't we like supposed to be raising hell or something? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's the draw, the tube. I I am relatively incapable of binging shows I found, which I think is good. Yeah. Yeah. I, I think I've rarely done that.

0:24:32: Yeah, binging is uh, well actually during Covid I binged a little bit, but only light comedy. It couldn't uh couldn't take much more on other shows. They need to kind of let sit with me for a while.

0:24:47: Yeah. I think the closest I got to that was was being in my being in my room a couple of weeks for being Covid positive. And that's when I watched the uh, the marvel. What if? But that still took me a week. So I guess that doesn't count binging. But me watching that was that was good by the way, I'm very burnt down on marvel. But I did enjoy that little bit of animation maybe because it's animated. It's different. I don't know, but that is, you know, they're forced to watch whatever is on the tv in 1960 of course. So there aren't binging, they're just being force fed, whatever the programming is. I mean, network programmers of the day had I guess more mind power than than we think about on the, on the average. Well and think about that because this is 1960 to have that early in the game that early in the popularity of tv a show, then that is making a commentary about tv is that that's a pretty fascinating thing that, you know, Rod Serling very rarely pulled punches about anything.

0:25:55: And this is another one of those places where he's kind of revealing by, by showing those clips that he's showing those made up like commercials and stuff that are in the little glimpses of tv that we get really telegraphing to the audience. Okay, look how kind of insipid and just like not very thought provoking all of this is Yeah. When his radio breaks, I'm like I wrote my notes, he needs to find that a pleasant little repairman, which I guess is similar commentary on that kind of banality. Yeah. Also, I guess in those deconstructing 90s, maybe that book will, will get to it eventually. We'll see.

0:26:45: Do you have any other big points on your notes you'd like to throw out? Yeah, I mean, I I think the other kind of very relatable thing here depends maybe on where you are in your life and your relationship to media. But this drawing of nostalgia I think is just infinitely relatable as well because even if we didn't have that kind of magic element, that twilight zone almost always has the character part of it that really rings true is that here's this guy now who is so far disconnected from the world around him that the only happiness that he finds is in this place in his mind that you know, was 20 years ago or give or take, you know, some of those broadcaster earlier, some of those are later. Um, and I think we all have a real possibility of doing that. We all have, especially now because everything is available at our fingertips, it's a lot easier to dismiss anything that's new just because it is new and just stay purely in your comfort zone with the things that you, I mean I do that, you know, norman and I get on the air and we're talking about uh before we talk about an episode of Star Trek that came out 25 years ago, we're also talking about like, oh remember this episode of galactica from 1978 or whatever, you know, like that, that's sort of where your head gets stuck and and I think that's a dangerous thing.

0:28:21: Like you have to, you have to also keep up with what's happening around you trying to check my youtube history. I think I've fallen down the rabbit hole watching these things recently, you know, like fast food places that don't exist anymore. I watched that one too. Yeah, we have a similar youtube. Yeah, I've definitely been On that kind of groove like recently. So it's nicer, like 10 minute blast. You do them out of the way. And well I'm usually watching something with a podcast, but I don't want to do that when I'm actually eating dinner. So that's like my dinner thing. And then after that I'll move on to uh, to my business watching because I do mostly actively watch stuff now and not, not to be like, I'm better in these people, but they're being hypnotized by the tube full on where I try those youtube videos. I'm getting hypnotized by. But yeah, mostly I'm like, okay, I'm actively watching something. I'm taking the notes and I feel much less like I'm wasting my time that way.

0:29:23: Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're watching, well twilights into, I'm watching these like a few times, but you know, one on one for notes and maybe one more as a refresher. So right, right. Exactly.

0:29:36: Let's go ahead and plunge into those couple questions. Uh, and one of the reasons we haven't talked about the end of the episode yet because it's, I think it's basically fits one of these questions, but first, um, who in this episode went into the twilight, so oh well it's definitely Ed Lindsay. Um, whether or not, uh oh no, I'm forgetting her name. Uh, any minute. Yeah. Whether or not she did, I think is up for interpretation because when we get to the end, I think the positive spin on that is he actually does get to relive this part of his life. Like like this radio is the magic time machine that takes him and then back to 1940 and he gets to do it all over again and hopefully do it better not make the same mistakes that landed them both in the same boarding house as mere strangers for 20 years, you know?

0:30:38: So in that case maybe both of them, but there's also the darker interpretation that it's just him and this is just in his head like this is just purely his experience. Yeah. Glass half empty means that Ed just had a psychotic break. Yeah. Yeah. Like like the woman in the in the living room said you know like he's gone completely psychological. Great line. Psychological. Oh yeah. The other one that um that came in, they mentioned the Georgia crackers on the tv. I'm like wow, that became increasingly horrible as I was growing up. Yeah. Yeah. Right right. But and I was talking to my co workers a few days ago um and Georgia didn't even get rid of the confederate battle flag from our state flag to like the mid nineties or something. It's you know some of these you know sometimes the anachronisms a little a little um no more recent than you thought.

0:31:38: A did you see though that in the imdb trivia they reference that uh that character that was listening to the senator uh that that is the person that foghorn leghorn was based on.

0:31:53: Oh, that's fantastic. Okay, alright, isn't that awesome? Yeah, I thought, I think we all just assumed oh, general southern democrat at the time. But yeah, no, no, no. And his name is something literally like Cleghorn or something, so I'm like alright, looney tunes way to go. Yeah, to make it topical. Yeah, but I was thinking the ending of this one does bring us back to that 16 millimeter shrine conundrum where it is like is this a real happy ending or is this a super existential, dread, horrible ending, you know? Right. Yeah, but even then it's like how how terrible is it? Even if this is an individual experience, even if it is a mental break or breaking point for him, are we okay as the people on the outside just to go, Yeah, you know what, let him live that way that mentally he is happy now, mentally he's where he wants to be and he gets to escape into this kind of strange piece of the past and and that's why this is a good uh kind of book and for a 16 millimeter shrine, like we can definitely take that glass glass half empty look, but at the end I also get the feeling that because of Rod sterling's closing narration that we are meant to take away the happy ending version of this, where this is literally what happens to these two people because of the magic radio.

0:33:25: Yeah, Yeah, that that's just the double edged sword of the twilight zone. Even when they tell you it's a happy ending, you know, you're gonna be like But is it But is it Right. Yeah. So, so that makes the second question very convoluted today because it depends on what direction you take it from being. Does Ed Lindsay deserve his trip into the twilight zone?

0:33:47: Mm Does he deserve it? Or do we all deserve it? Because he's kind of a cantankerous jerk. Um but he gets to this place where there is some happiness to be found, some opportunity to be found. So, does he deserve that? Well, no, he's just kind of been a jerk all the way up until now, but the people around him, if it's real, do they deserve that? Because here's a guy who had a breakthrough and now is going to be a better person about it. Sure.

0:34:25: Because yeah, with a happy ending. So let's take the track where Vinny is also in the twilight zone and magically transported back to 1940. Is that what she wants? Maybe she's had I mean, I guess she has the unrequited love thing going as well, but um you know who may be her last 20 years have been generally fine and she might not want to erase those.

0:34:47: Right, Right? No. Exactly. Yeah, So maybe she doesn't deserve it. She has no say in this. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, either way. I mean she looks happy I guess. But yeah, that's sure. You never know if it's Stepford wife happy again because twilight zone. Right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

0:35:08: Um How about the trip odometer rating? Looking somewhere from 0 to 5 being super trippy. Where do you want to put this one? I mean this is about uh this is about a three I think. Like it's just slightly slightly over the midpoint of trippy because we're sitting here asking each other if this is a magic radio that has time machine capabilities and can rewire somebody's entire psychology and overwrite maybe this poor woman's 20 years of her adult life. Like that's a pretty trippy weird thing. I think it's less trippy. Just if we're solely looking at Ed's journey because with edits, it's just like a process of connecting back to this thing in which he finds joy.

0:36:07: So that that is a less trippy idea. It's a more trippy idea that we're actually manipulating somebody's life and they don't know it.

0:36:18: Yeah, I had the same thought it was a three with a giant question mark. I've decided just to give a different number. I'm gonna pop it down to 2.5 because one thing that did take me out and frustrate me is his magic radio does not work very well.

0:36:37: Of course, whenever he tries to bring anyone in to listen to it, it shorts out right static and half the time he's trying to listen to it. It's static, you know, it's not a very dependable machine. Um But again, I guess if you gave someone in 1960s, like barely functioning YouTube, that would just be beyond amazing. So yeah, yeah, I mean that's the fact that it was all staticky. I think that's another one of those things where you have to ask like is all of this is going on in his head because when he brings people into the room they don't hear it, just going okay. He's, he's not well, you know, um here's kind of my, my own trippy question for the day because for me, I'm able to, I guess not, not quite meditation in this case, but just just kind of, I have certain fixed points in my life where I can kind of go in with my mind and kind of look around and and remember it and I'm, you know, and I know that's something that how my brain works.

0:37:39: I don't know if that's how this brain works as well or not. So Yeah, and it's weird stuff like um riding on a bicycle in Japan in 2005, you know, just like this 12th clip is like permanently etched in my brain, you know, uh six year old birthday party with a clown. I can kind of look around the room and my head and all that sort of stuff. So That's kind of like the end of this episode where maybe, I mean he might not even be completely psychotic, he may just be like, you know, sitting back and kind of placing himself back into that room 20 years ago mentally without going nuts as well, which is mentally, I guess trippy. But as far as like the twilight zone, it it dials, dials it down. Sorry, intended. Yes. Yes.

0:38:27: Okay. Uh any any final thoughts you want to throw on this? No, I I think we had all the major points. I mean it's kind of a lovely story that you can make weirder if you want and you can also make less weird if you want. I think that's fine. It's also one of those weird twilight zone anomalies where you know, shot on video, I think really using the medium to the best that they could. Thank goodness. They go back to film after one more episode. Um But there is something about that that at once makes it look more real, but also reveals all the shortcomings of the production.

0:39:09: Uh So you kinda have to watch it as like not just I'm watching the story, but I'm also watching the production happen. Um So I I appreciate it like that.

0:39:20: Um Gosh, what else? Uh I I do love having Rod sterling on set mentioned that like I love when they pull that off and I gotta say that reveal at the end just handled so well that that was so well done where you show Ed, you show old Ed getting the radio back and then you just, you cut away long enough with the camera, you just focus in on the speaker grill, then you turn the camera around onto young vinnie coming in the room then and we've given enough time here for the change. Right? Then you'd come back around to Ed and suddenly it's 1940 Ed, so, so cool. I love the way that was handled. Um I think it's next season. We're definitely, I'm gonna have to be thinking about this one in terms of a kick the can, which my memory at the moment is is the 1983 movie remake version. And of course, yeah. Right, Mine too. Mine too. Yeah, I need to go back and watch the original. Yeah, well, we'll be hitting the original, but I feel like that's kind of a, you know, retirement home in that case uh returning to youth, literally.

0:40:28: So it'll be interesting to uh compare and contrast when we get there because I know the movie was quite different than the episode. I can't quite remember how, so we'll get back to that. Um we'll go ahead and please tell everyone where they can find you on the internet. Happy to yeah. Find my work at podcast dot Roddenberry dot com.

0:40:50: That's where all the shows are. Find the ones that fit you might be star trek might not be star trek, but there's a lot to choose from at podcast dot roddenberry dot com.

0:40:59: And then I, you can find me on instagram j champ 72 and I think that's about it. Oh and twitter at DVD geeks for as long as that lasts, we'll see.

0:41:12: And my twitter still seems to be posting. I did finally get mostly to auto posting because I got like three podcasts and tend to forget about some of them sometimes. Oh yeah, but yes, yes, we have many podcasts. You can find us on patron at podcast audio podcast. Yes, of course. Time enough podcast. Is there still on twitter at the moment? On facebook? Um we talk about sci fi movies and matt luke's sci fi sanctuary and if you're into video games, there's things for you like luke, loves Pokemon monster mash about monster hunter and the game game show, which is for british folks yelling insults at each other for an hour or so. My favorite, yeah, sort of the british panel discussion vibe, Right, discussion and quotes.

0:42:07: Yeah, this is a little aside, but in Japan, there's a, there's a lot of panel shows with tv talent and they're just, they're known for the panel shows. So it's kind of weird.

0:42:18: I guess we have, you know, like the Kardashians and stuff in States. We have things like that too. But yeah, I guess it's interesting how the panel show vibe varies from country to country.

0:42:29: Yeah. Right, okay. I can only think of one way to end this episode.

0:45:22: Mhm. Mhm.