0:00:03: it is the middle ground between light and shadow between science and superstition and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge.

0:00:14: This is time enough podcast Hello Welcome to time enough podcast where we talk about episodes of the twilight zone and beyond this is matt here.

0:00:51: Do you want to do you want a penny?

0:00:54: Yeah.

0:00:56: Is that enough for your thoughts?

0:00:58: Probably yeah. Like like give them for free or give like some real money right? Isn't like a penny kind of like like insulting.

0:01:08: Well I think in 1960 that was like 25 cents right? Well you could buy like a quarter. Even then though you could buy like one piece of bubblegum you know Cool. I guess he bought the newspaper for a penny but was that penny or a nickel wasn't actually a penny. I don't think it was actually, it was like a quarter. Yeah, yeah yeah. So a penny even in 1961 is not, it's kind of insulting if that's what I'm paying you is what I'm saying.

0:01:35: Like it's like they called it a quarter for your thoughts then. What like you know like 999 for your thoughts. That's a little more reasonable.

0:01:44: This is you still get pennies in that transaction as well. This is a really fun episode to talk about to me because I think it's probably my favorite one of these I've been on here to talk about as far as the nuts and bolts of the episode but the setup is complete nonsense. There's no, there is, you know, it might as well just be someone just like if a witch showed up and just shot him with lasers. That that would make more sense to this. Okay. Yeah that makes it, we'll get into that a little more because I'll have a few thoughts on that as well. But uh let's let's get let's get can I paypal? You a penny? Oh that would be in its crypto to crypto.

0:02:32: Yeah well dodge coin for your thoughts. Yeah. Hey one dodge coin. How much is that worth? Nothing. I don't know.

0:02:38: I think I just know I think I bought I think I transferred 20 bucks of my paypal into crypto and I think it's now 10 bucks so whatever.

0:02:47: Well that's not so cool is it? I lost $10 but whatever you're supposed to be happy because the free market is working, you're supposed to be happy about it.

0:02:55: Like like I've been reading people on the Internet where they announced the New PlayStation VR is $550 and a lot of people are like I'm glad they're selling this for that price point. It's good that they're charging this much for it.

0:03:09: Okay I don't understand people but the last game system I bought was like a wee so what do I know?

0:03:18: You should be glad that they sold the we for as much as they did. Oh right, helping the economy there. It actually was pretty overpriced for what it was when it came out. Hey people are still using in my house I guess it was worth it. Yeah I have one. It's right over there. You can't see it but I don't believe you then. Uh for this episode the original air date was February 3, 1961.

0:03:43: This whimsical script is from that whimsical twilight zone contributor George Clayton, jones.

0:03:50: James Sheldon directed its one of a few stints he did in the Zone. He also directed episodes for shows such as Mash, the man from uncle and sledgehammer, Dick York returns having played a part in season one's. The Purple testament of course he's best known as the first Darren on Bewitched as well as his role as teacher Bertram Cates in 19 sixties inherit the Wind.

0:04:16: Helen was played by june Dayton. She appeared in many tv guest roles, including a recurring five times on Perry mason Dan Tobin played Mr Bagby and he appeared on film and television, generally typecast as the insufferable prick as he is here interestingly. His last role was alongside John Huston and Orson Welles. The other side of the wind though it shot in 1970 it sat on the back burner was not released until 2018 so that's pretty wild. Get a movie released 40 years after you're gone.

0:04:54: Mr Smithers was played by Cyril del avanti. He was a prominent actor on the London stage but eventually emigrated to the U.S. Where he appeared in many bit parts and films. Um, often uncredited like many actors of this time he shift into television and he will appear in three more episodes of the twilight zone. So at least they liked him here and I mean not to be too blase, but I was like, I was like, he's in three more. He looks on death's door on this one.

0:05:26: So yeah, I guess I forgot what the date was for his birth. I mean he obviously was not the spring chicken at the time, but people looked older back then. I, I didn't look at him, but you know what, like as you know, we're also sort of going over the prisoner on a separate thing and I keep, I keep looking up trivia for that and almost everyone who's in the prisoner tied like the year after cannae and a lot of them don't look particularly old. So I don't, I don't know, I don't know what anything is anymore. No, this, this guy kept kicking for awhile apparently. So yeah, I just, I don't know. Maybe it's cause I've been watching the video taped episode. So seeing the stark black and white of an old man's wrinkles, you know on film again, Like that sounds horrible when you say it that way. Okay. People were older back then there's just a fact people looked older than uh, they do now.

0:06:26: Just, yeah, okay. Um, it was just weird because it's my little fraser sounded slightly wrong, but there wasn't anything particularly wrong about it I guess. Um here is a prologue. It's short. You don't have much to do today.

0:06:42: Okay, so I'm gonna make it really annoying then.

0:06:46: Mr Hector B. Poole, resident of the twilight zone, flip a coin and keep flipping it. What are the odds?

0:06:56: Half the time it will come up, heads, half the time tails come on, but in one freakish chance in a million it will land on its edge. Mr Hector B. Poole a bright human coin on his way to the bank.

0:07:15: Thank God that one's short. You did crack in the middle there though, so you don't get take two, take one.

0:07:25: Um First off, Yeah, began, like you said, there's a ridiculous contrivance that this whole telepathy episode is started by the random landing of a coin on its edge. Dude. Like that's one in a million chance, is it? I mean, it doesn't seem like completely out of, you know, there could be a little defect in the wood that kind of catches the coin, right? Um You could also test this a million times and it wouldn't give you power to read minds just saying, okay, there's also that I'm just thinking like it's not a million and one chance in the first place.

0:08:00: I got this foam dice we tossed around and class and every once in a while it lands on a corner, like probably at least once a month. So I guess it's more likely that's gonna happen because it's a rug and it's a foam dice. But still, Yeah, to me it's just extremely weird that that gives them powers because that doesn't make any sense at all. Makes zero sense. It gives it gives me powers. I I know what my students are going to answer with before they say it, but that's actually more experience, isn't it?

0:08:33: So wow. Hector pool just really takes a while to figure out what's actually happening. Like the fact that he gets hit by a car, it's still like, wait, what if you suddenly had a whole bunch of voices in your head like and you didn't know why that doesn't seem unreasonable. I mean it's played in this this is an episode that's interesting because it almost does, it hits more tv tropes of the time I think than the twilight zone generally does.

0:09:03: Like like you said, the weird nonsensical plot manipulation with the coin. Um You know, they just like what everyone's thinking is like weirdly scripted sounding right, which I don't think is what anyone's thoughts are like, you should get weird stream of conscious gibberish? Yeah you wouldn't get I know what I'll do. I'll take this money to the horse race. I'll bet exactly this much on this horse. That's what I'll do. I'll do it after work today. Like yeah, nobody, nobody would think that in their head. I mean maybe they do. Maybe some people do TV writers.

0:09:40: Yeah, please write into the podcast and tell us if you just think I will now go to the refrigerator and get a slice of bread, I will put meat on the bread, I will then put cheese on the bread, then I'll put it in a sandwich bag and take it with me to work. I'll eat it around 6.30. Yeah, if that's how you become a high paid Hollywood writer, tv writer. But and then some of the people are like talking to him directly in their thoughts right there. Like you you did this stupid idiot. That was kind of realistic though. But you you would just think stupid idiot, you wouldn't put the pronoun on it because you don't need it in your head or hey, maybe that's just me. I don't know how other people think this, this show could be super accurate for all I know, I think if I'm driving I will think you idiot, but I'm not like standing in front of them and talking them directly, right talking because they are like talking to him with their minds which is kind of a weird office I guess if everyone does that.

0:10:43: Yeah. Did he? So were you thinking there was going to be a plot twist where it turned out that everyone knew that. Did you think that watching this for the first. Did you have seen this before. Did you know what's happening?

0:10:56: I'm not sure, I Okay, well I felt like, yeah, okay. Just wondering because you know, a lot of times, I kind of think it's going to end up being more elaborate than it actually is. I guess I did actually think the guy was going to rob the bank, but I did think that at first, yes, I I joined um pool and assuming that was he was getting accurate information, so this is why, well this is why I think this is my favorite episode that we've gone over so far, is that there are a lot of moving parts and uh a lot of different, like it's a great like ensemble that kind of weaves in together where you have the guy who fantasizes about robbing the bank and the guy who actually thinks about the terrible things he does and the guy who thinks about his mistress and the lady who is has an insatiable need, desperate need to be with uh Dick York and you know, and dick York's just weird tall awkwardness that works so well for this character.

0:12:06: It's just a lot going on.

0:12:08: I don't think so. Okay, just like overestimating people's age over here. I think she's twenties. Probably what? Oh no, no, she's five years older and I actually checked. Oh how how much older does does the lady have to be before we call it a cougar situation, I think it's 10. Okay, okay, five is like kind of normal actually? Yeah. Okay. I see. I just I don't know these things. Um 11 thing I was slightly disappointed by was um the horses names were not nearly whack enough for the Kentucky Derby because you know horse names, because it was just like, you know, like little sprinter or something where real horse names are completely insane for like she's taking my pants off her sideways, through the through the mail slot. Yes, those sort of things. That's what I wanted in my horse names, plastic cup full of your past, a couple of urine around the bend. I I even feel the need to look up like the worst horse racing names while you give us your next thought, please do.

0:13:14: Yeah. Well the thing is they have really great chemistry, even though like a lot of the chemistry is just I'm reading her mind I guess, but it's um I don't know, there's a lot of, sorry guys, she definitely doesn't fit with like um Yeah, she she's she's kind of too much of a 50s woman for the twilight zone I think.

0:13:40: Yeah, maybe. But maybe, but also she sort of is like when as soon as she has a chance, she's like you're gonna take you're gonna take control, you're gonna take that corner office.

0:13:52: So I guess it would be different if she was like, you're going to make him give me the corner office? Okay, attend bad horse racing names. What's from a website called the spoof. Does that mean they're real or not?

0:14:05: I don't like that, but go ahead. Ok. I'll just read what I got because I can't spend too much time doing this. Uh quit horsing around. That's pretty obvious. So here's what?

0:14:14: What's that smell?

0:14:15: Um, athletes hoof.

0:14:19: The galloping, gilding, whatever jockey on board. Oh, here's a good one. Giddy up, bitch.

0:14:26: Horse face. Alpo boy. Okay. Number nine is the best. Look at the S.O.B. S in my rear view mirror. See, I don't even know if these are real or not because horse names are just so weird. You know, those aren't those aren't like terrible. Okay. Here's top 10 worst names for a racehorse. Um from horse gills dot com. Hoof hearted. It's actually banned in the U.K. What?

0:14:52: Oh hoo hoo. If you say it, if you say it five times fast to realize it's a clever double. And that made it past jockey club sensors. Okay. Ha ha ha.

0:15:04: Yeah, here's a couple of Yeah, I got Ghostzapper.

0:15:11: Here's a good one odor in the court.

0:15:16: I think I like I like that. It's like what court? Yeah, I think I like the smell based names. The best she sells seashells. That's pretty bad. Yeah, sofa can fast.

0:15:33: Okay. Got it. Okay, spineless jellyfish.

0:15:38: Huh?

0:15:41: Red hot chili pepper.

0:15:44: Wait, there's a horse, Where, where the the guy named the horse after himself. That's cool. Clyde Van Dusen. He just named the horse. Also Clyde Van Dusen.

0:15:57: This one's all in lower case is with no spaces. Oh no, it's my mother in law.

0:16:06: No space is all lower case. Okay. Okay. Anyway, so that's my disappointment with this episode that the horse names are way too sane.

0:16:19: Well, I don't feel like twilight Zone is the type of thing where they're going to throw in like a funny horse. But I'll be honest, I perfectly enjoyed watching this episode for me and and and I don't remember specifically which ones we've done but like it's certainly it didn't didn't find it to be like a giant stand out. So I'm kind of curious. You said the moving parts. Um What special sauce for you?

0:16:48: It was just it was just the fact that this guy had to deal with the the our main character had to deal with something like eight different people and they all had sort of they all sort of wove in and out from each other. That was I guess that would be a um the writer George Clayton jones is I guess that's kind of his strength like from, he's like, this is like the third or fourth episode he's done. He's written so far. But I guess he has kind of a quirky sitcom e thing. That's why my trivia is like whimsical script from that whimsical writer because he's like the whimsical one, you know you know where I feel like Richard Matheson is kind of like the hard sci fi. Super trippy one. Rod serling. Just rod serling. He he is the twilight zone, right? So I guess for me, I guess out of the regular writers, um Clayton George, Clayton jones I guess at this moment is probably my least favorite.

0:17:46: I mean I I do like the stories about isolation or where, I mean we had what just a few episodes ago, there was an episode where it was literally just a woman alone screaming and there was no, there was almost no dialogue in it. Exactly like that. I mean, I think that's technically a much better episode than this, but this is just, I don't know, fun. It felt like a Seinfeld episode or something.

0:18:14: Yeah.

0:18:16: Oh, another thing um you know, he's he's now reading minds but yet they're talking about Smithers about him committing crimes while talking like behind like just a single sheet of plastic.

0:18:30: Like he can probably hear you a little bit.

0:18:34: You're not thinking this, you're saying maybe he'd like missed maybe like after a few hours had already like kind of lost the distinction. I don't know. Maybe he just is that old and he didn't hear, maybe it's the pool lineage, you know uh frank poole, let's how lip read him in 2001. So interesting. Those dang pools.

0:18:58: But yeah, it's just it's just a fun episode where a lot of has a lot of fun characters just being wacky screwballs to each other because I mean sort of like the most unusual camera, but I think it works better than that did because that was sort of as as insane as it is for a coin to just give a guy powers. It's not as insane as a bunch of people just falling out of a window. Yeah, but in there before that we have a like Rando knife fight. I mean that whack, see I think I found that kind of whack like a little more appealing though as the podcast episode length belies. There wasn't like that much to talk about in that episode, you know, we'll also those were kind of better actors than these. Okay, what's your take on a dick york?

0:19:46: He's great. It's like his, his physicality makes it great, your guy, I guess.

0:19:55: I don't know how much I've really watched that show, but I never really thought about it and I never really thought about a preference personally. Um Because in season one, we also have dick york in the purple testament, which I thought like I thought that was a more fascinating use of him that being a pretty serious episode. So his weird energy and that is interesting, like it's it doesn't quite fit, but it somehow works.

0:20:22: I mean it works here too, but it's just it's dick york, dick york stuff here, you know, it feels it reminded me of jim Carey, even though, I guess I should say jim Carey reminded me of dick york, but it was like this um just painfully awkward, naive dude, just fumbling his way through, you know, somebody who is more of a a suave like clever person would have, like, maneuvered their way through the situation immediately, but he really does kind of come across as like kind of kind of an endearing idiot. Like he doesn't even seem to like, he doesn't even seem to know that his coworker likes him until the kind of the very end.

0:21:02: Come on, we've all done plenty of that though. My note does say if Miss Turner and Dick hook up, they will have the dullest intercourse ever. five minutes of shirts on grinding. That results in both of them crying. It's gonna be something like He won't know what he's doing. And she'll keep asking him if he's comfortable, it'll be that yeah, yeah, that sort of thing. So they won't, they won't have any idea how bad it is. So it'll be okay, Okay, as long as they're happy, they won't, they'll be happy. They'll be they'll be happy until about maybe 10 or 15 years down the line when she'll discover pillows or something. I don't know, should probably cut that out.

0:21:51: Why would I do that?

0:21:54: This is a family podcast for families, is it if you if you're getting your family circling around the old timey radio, listen to this it's okay thanks I guess mm.

0:22:07: Um Now we talk about pool being kind of like gangly awkward not knowing how to deal with people but by the end of the episode he's basically engaging in psychic blackmail to move up the corporate ladder.

0:22:19: That's a little hardcore.

0:22:22: But I mean think about how much farther he could have taken it. You know it's like just the the fact that he's basically just kind of mildly blackmailing a guy who's cheating on his wife and pretty much just gets himself a promotion that maybe he deserves. Or at least the episode wants me to think that he deserves it.

0:22:43: And then gives smith is a ticket to Bermuda. Which maybe he deserves that too. Who knows? Maybe he doesn't. I mean we only have mr Turner's you know um opinion on the veracity of his job performance when she's already smitten. So it would be funny if he just went back to him like a week later and he's just basically sitting in his just sitting in his new office just spinning around in the chair and not doing anything.

0:23:08: I think I wanted a miss Turner who was a little less of a you know puppy dog following him around I guess for me that actually would have greatly improved the episode to have her be a little bit more of a character. Yeah it's just one of those things maybe it's sixties tv or maybe it's twilight zone it always seems to feel like yeah why don't you go just find yourself a nice gal and settle down right now But then we get the twilight zone feels like it's telling me a lot of the time but then we got like you know mirror image or the hitchhiker that really manages to like get into the the leading actresses head right or even not too long ago. Um You know the what was it the lateness of the hour? That was a very interesting I mean she was a she was a spoiler alert robot but you know she was a robot with a lot of character. I thought you were gonna say she was spoiled. Oh well she might well maybe but we have these twilight zones where we have these women that do have a actual psychological profile and some agency a world of its own another one.

0:24:16: And then kind of the disturbing twist is you know that is taken away and they become like they do they they all become you know functionally robots where they don't exist anymore or whatever you know you're right.

0:24:30: So anyway I just yeah yeah that that would have made this this is not this is not heavy. I mean mr I'm not saying that Miss Turner needs to be like mind wiped by the end. I'm just saying that um you know she could have like a little more fire to her a little you know, she just basically had more agency than uh, then then dick York did for his character's name already. What frank frank is the 2001 guy, But just a pool is good enough. I almost said frank booth. Now she had, she had a little more agency than he did, which is not much. I didn't even bother put the character's name in my trivia. That's why I just wrote dick york returns. But the name is Hector, pool actor, right? I'm looking at my notes since his Hector, I don't know what is wrong with me. Yeah, she has, she has a little more agency than he does, which is not much. I think nobody, this episode has very much agency, including the guy who hits, hits him with a car and can't call him an idiot out loud.

0:25:42: Yeah, that was super passive aggressive and men would I be that judgmental after bonking the guy with my car? I don't, I don't know.

0:25:50: Oh, by the way, I got hit by a car is a perfectly reasonable excuse to be late to work I think.

0:25:57: Yeah, but this capitalism baby, you gotta keep the, keep the savings alone going. So stressful to balance your wife with your girlfriend. Yeah.

0:26:06: I mean, you know, you, you don't want to, you don't want to be like, it's a wonderful life and then everybody try to get their money out right.

0:26:15: That's the only thing that happens. It makes it's got like the fun the fun wackiness not the fun wackness I should say the twilight zone. And but the wackiness is a little a little they have done better wackiness for me. Sorry I'm not you know like I said I've only been on here for like six or seven. This isn't this doesn't hold up to like my favorite five or six or seven episodes so far but it's just my favorite one that I've been on here specifically to talk about I think yeah I'm having a look and um yeah sorry season two you didn't get the best ones. I mean you know just you know we had to talk about christmas right so it doesn't matter as long as I get to watch them.

0:26:59: Oh here we go.

0:27:00: I liked Mr Beavis better than this one.

0:27:04: Okay. No I didn't like Mr Beavis better than this one. I did like Mr Beavis but not not better than this one. This this had a little more of a this just it is that Mr Beavis sort of had he goes to location one he goes to location two. He goes to location three.

0:27:21: I'm looking back on the schedule. Okay here here's one that we did that I would for sure put above this episode with uh judgment night. Of course that's not a funny one third from the sun. I I think I prefer that. I know no one likes the fever but I just like the talking slot machine so I'm gonna put that above this one and and and no one likes L.G. And I seem to like that one more than everyone else. So I would put all those above this myself. I'm just that's why I'm curious by caught your fancy so much. You know putting them all on a list like that they're all pretty close. I just think this one just kind of is fun.

0:27:58: No no no as I said I certainly enjoyed watching but this is like if I am cherry picking episodes on a rewatch I probably won't be watching this one unless I have just been like binging you know Bewitched a week or two before or something which I've never done in my life. So it's unlikely.

0:28:15: Yeah this is the the setup is is patently ridiculous and that's probably part of why it's fun is because it's just the setup is completely insane. And yeah the first time I watched I guess I was like what? That's it and then when it knocks out the end I'm like what? That's that.

0:28:33: Yeah.

0:28:35: Yeah. But but you know there there could be a version of this where it's just the guy who he thinks he's going to rob the bank and he thinks he's gonna rob the bank the whole time and then we get to the end and then you find out he didn't rob the bank like that could that could have been the entire episode.

0:28:50: Yeah.

0:28:52: Yeah. No no I think I'm thinking of it in those terms where or the or the psychic girlfriend angle could have been the entire thing because I am sitting here kind of ragging on this episode more than I usually do but it's not like it. Um So but I well I mean I said it was my favorite one that we've gone over so you reserve the right to state your case why it's not your favorite one? That's totally legit. Okay. That makes sense. It doesn't change that. You're not like we're not trying to convince each other right? Like as far as you know quality we're back on film. I mean it definitely like it's there's a certain that's it's now that I've gotten through most of videotape episodes. You know you just luxuriate in the film now more than before. You know in the first season we already good but now that I've done the videotape I'm like oh God yes everything looks great now.

0:29:47: Yeah. And I don't even remember which one of those were ones of those were on tape aside from the Santa one.

0:29:53: Um The other ones that we've watched so far that were on video. I I don't I think we still might have another one or two in the future. But what do we got the whole truth not the meek lateness of the hour, the whole truth. That's right. Um 22 which is next week's episode. That one being very good but you might have benefitted a bit from being on film there maybe statics the other one. Yeah. But uh yeah, all of those, Well the thing about lateness of the Hour is that it was sort of it sort of was stuff that had been done I guess it felt like it felt kind of like I knew what was going on pretty early when I was watching that.

0:30:39: Well yeah, that one has a very, you know, stage play feel partly because of the video and I feel like it might have had more of a Gothic feel if they had done a film which I kind of think might have been better. Um I do like that episode quite well. So that that is that's one where I really wish they had done it on film 22 as well. 22 would have had a much more kind of creepy.

0:31:00: It already has a very creepy gothic feel, but it would have had a little more of one I think if they had shot it on film that's next week. So I shouldn't talk about too much. The whole the whole truth is one of those where it was just really fun. I mean the ending kind of made it because it was totally unnecessary, totally unnecessary. Ending forgettable episode. But as I said at the time, I do appreciate that the dialogue is just like cracking in that one. Like if you like yeah if you just like read the dialogue or listen to um I forget the actor's name but him deliver it. It's like okay this episode definitely has like you know like a pinch hit at least he's a better written he's a better written villain than any of the villains in this episode. For sure. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I guess we are just kind of you know watching entertainingly uh mingling cardboard cutouts in this episode. So me singling out um Miss Turner sorry that's what it says on my note.

0:32:02: She has a name Helen Helen they've been saying just in my note I wrote Miss Turner so I keep on Miss Turner but Helen yes you call her Miss Turner's, it's the office right? She's the prettiest girl in the office pool. The accounting pool. Yeah I think the worst thing about Helen is just the uh what do you call it?

0:32:22: Like the what do you call it when you just hand the protagonist like a trophy girlfriend.

0:32:29: There's like a term for that trope. It's like that thing where it's like a thing that happens in anime a lot where like the protagonist finds a girl in a chest and just there you go. He has his perfect girlfriend because she doesn't like the 5th element.

0:32:47: You know it's like you have this perfect setup where you can read someone's mind and they like you like that bam you're in there like there's no actual difficulty. It's like the opposite of of a sad that's the opposite of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.

0:33:07: I mean how out of whack is Hector? I guess that's why I preferred Mr Beavis. They like really go other way by telling you all of this bizarre hobbies and stuff like you at least get a feeling why this guy can't just like go to a bar and meet people you know um where Hector I mean he's he's a little bit of an introvert of course but it doesn't seem like he's like that dysfunctional I bet if Mr Beavis and Hector were friends then like they wouldn't like each other the first time I watched Mr View. So I also thought I was watching Dick york. I didn't realize till afterwards like and I checked I was like oh wait wait that's the different actors so they definitely do tie together in my mind. I thought it was crisp and glover's dad.

0:33:50: Oh it wasn't it wasn't but I was like it looked like okay but yeah yeah and that it wasn't him but it's same energy right? So yeah for sure I do and then we're about in the same part of the season so I guess they're you know kind of twin episodes in a certain way.

0:34:10: I feel like this is the Mr Beavis of season two let's put it that way.

0:34:14: Mr Beavis too Mr butthead.

0:34:18: I don't know but but but yeah that that was one of the worst things to me about the episode was just that he sort of gets it magically can psychically read the mind of somebody who likes him which is just like way too convenient. Right. Right. But I mean again because again you're like that's the best one of your episodes I guess. That's why I'm sitting here like critically like dissertation it so hard. I probably wouldn't otherwise I'd just be like oh yeah it was fun.

0:34:49: Oh so there's a problem if I like it then, is that what sort of thing? No I'm just like that. Like that made my tone be like okay I want to critically access critically dive into this one more than I usually do.

0:35:04: I really like I tend to just really like to be as objective as possible in any of the stuff where it's like there's been a bunch of things where I posted them on facebook and someone was like that's my favorite episode and I had to comment like well it wasn't really our favorite episode. Yeah somebody's favorite episode especially folks that are just massive york fans. I mean I'm a hardcore Trekkie. I like both of the Shatner episodes quite well and I recently heard on different podcast people just you know like ripping nick of time a new one. So yeah yeah my friend Nick who commented that King Nine will King Nine will not return was his favorite episode and I was like, well we weren't super nice to that one, but you should listen anyway. I mean there's a creepy atmosphere that would get someone, you know, press someone's specific buttons right? Where you and I were like, well, I don't know. I feel like they've done this better in other places.

0:36:04: Yeah, you can make the case either way. Really like, I don't know. It's like I keep saying over and over again, there aren't really any bad episodes here like there except maybe like the chaser. But even that it's like it's still that's still more interesting than like the the dumb version. There's like a dumb version of that. You could do that probably has been done a bunch because he's like literally about to murder at the end. So it's that's automatically pretty edgy. Yeah, we got a little bit edge there. So for sure. Let's do the questions who in this episode goes through the twilight zone enters the twilight zone because it would have to be Hector because everyone else just sort of is in Hector's world. I mean everyone else has to sort of take his word for it. I don't know if anybody even really quite believes that he could read minds.

0:37:03: It's proof because he's lines that he then repeats. So she knows that she's at least in on it and that she she's accepting it's happening right? She has proof but it's almost like the one she's like the one person who he could probably it would it would have been really cool if she just sort of like stabbed in the back at the end and took everything somehow.

0:37:30: Or I got him committed for mind reading but not this episode. Uh Yeah it was him. Mr Bagby certainly gets his life affected by the twilight because apparently he was keeping his affair quite a well guarded secret. Uh You know but his his thoughts betrayed him.

0:37:49: Yeah now his crappy loveless marriage will last even longer.

0:37:54: Yeah. Yeah but he's I mean he was definitely affected by the twilight zone because he got his comeuppance in the in the vocabulary of the episode. But you know I feel like he would have messed up eventually anyway like don't they always. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah probably. But just at this point like the twilight zone definitely sped up the process.

0:38:14: Yeah twilight zone taken away I don't think Smithers um has enough. Didn't really notice he'll just like why am I suddenly getting a trip to Bermuda? That's pretty hip.

0:38:27: What if he starts freaking out and then loses his mind then does he go to the twilight zone feel like wouldn't wouldn't you kind of if you if you just sort of talked about things and suddenly you magically had a plane ticket wouldn't that like really mess with you. That would mess with me a lot. Yeah.

0:38:45: What he dreams about robbing the bank and then going to like a different tropical location every day and he's keeping to himself as in his mind. So I guess that's cool. But I was just, I was just having my rewatch of full metal jacket. It's like, you know like um, oh he is, he doesn't say pile. He uses the guy's real name, which I've now forgotten. But he's like, yeah, piles now talking to his gun, which that made me think of Smithers a little bit.

0:39:15: What if he just goes to Bermuda and then just walks into the ocean.

0:39:20: Right, right. Oh God can what is piles? Vincent Vincent the actor's name Clarence.

0:39:27: Sorry, just watch the last, I even got like an hour tenant of full male Jack, which rarely happens.

0:39:32: I've seen it like three times and I have no idea what name is off the top of my head. I've seen the complete movie like maybe twice. I've seen the 1st 45 minutes, like 30 times. Yeah, that had to have at least happened. Even on imdb. He's listed as private Pyle. Like what?

0:39:52: Okay, he, he does use the, because that's like the rare spark of humanity in those 1st 45 minutes because he uses the guy's actual name and expresses a real thought, which is almost completely lacking in those 1st 45 minutes. So um, I mean the, the assessment on that is I think generally like 45 minutes of a perfect movie followed by a pretty good war movie.

0:40:14: Okay his name is Leonard. Lawrence Leonard. There we go. Leonard's been talking to his gun. Sorry I just I felt like it doesn't it doesn't vibrate vibrate right unless you get the right name right?

0:40:26: Um anyway back back into a penny for your thoughts. A very different thing than the 1st 45 minutes of full metal jacket. Did almost polar opposite. Did Hector deserve his trip into the twilight zone?

0:40:40: Yeah sure. Well he benefits from it. It's a tough one. Yeah he gets out this is one of those a lot like Mr Beavis where he gets there are no downsides.

0:40:52: He gets rough sitcom situations. He gets fired for a bit. Um And then Mr Beavis did not get his job back because it was a crappy job back where Hector B Poole wants to you know become a a middle aged banker scumbag. That's his goal in life.

0:41:12: So maybe he doesn't deserve this. Yeah he's on his way. I mean he seems nice now but 10 years down the line and now he's in his his loveless marriage with with Helen. I mean it started off nice but they're bored of each other. Yeah. Yeah maybe maybe you know this this automatically couldn't maybe Hector could have done better things if he had not had this situation. I don't know I'm reading in way too much. I am. I am.

0:41:36: I'm I'll bet anything that their first fight that he just stares at her and like tries to read her mind and then she's like are you trying to read my mind just like throws stuff at him? Like I bet I bet that's just a thing the entire rest of their relationship.

0:41:52: Yeah. Yeah. That situation you gotta play it like Neil Degrasse Tyson at least the the key and peele version will actually yeah tweet tweet at her how she's wrong. I don't know.

0:42:05: Yeah I said for some reason this is like the most cynical one of these I've done so far. You you turned on my cynical switch today. That's fine. Something like that. Sometimes it's fun to it's fun to be cynical about whimsical fun things that don't hurt anybody because they are. Because that's that's ridiculous. It's as ridiculous as flipping a coin and giving yourself powers.

0:42:31: I'd say Mr Bagby did deserve to be metaphorically slapped by the twilight zone which I think we've already said anyway. Um Helen does. She again she's such a just follows pull around. Yeah she gets she gets to have sex with a man. I mean that's that's that's something that she never would have gotten to have otherwise never gonna find. No. No I mean if that's the dude you want might never have happened.

0:43:04: Yeah. Uh Smithers though. He he doesn't even notice the twilight zone is happening for the most part. He gets a trip to Bermuda so yeah good good on him. He comes out best in this episode. He's just unless he goes to Bermuda and then just walks into the water, why wouldn't you do that? Maybe never to return? No, he just walks all the way into the ocean. Hey, maybe that's the perfect end for him. A poetic ending. You know he's he's again he's he's pretty old. I don't know why he's still working to be honest. He looks very far past retirement age.

0:43:34: Ask me again in 30 years if I'm still working.

0:43:39: Yeah might be a necessity. But I mean clearly it's a professional job in in 1961 he would have been getting like a decent salary at that job. It's not like he's you know like working at a convenience store.

0:43:52: Yeah even people who are working now are still able to retire for like another, I don't know, 10 years or so.

0:43:59: When when did convenience stores start?

0:44:03: I don't know, 1853. I'm gonna have to look that up. Yeah because because we just, especially in Japan they're on, well they were on every corner about a quarter of them and closing recently. But because they were like too many they had like totally oversaturated convenience stores. So 1927. Okay. Okay so I guess by 1961 it would be pretty normal to to work in a convenience store but but yes this is a bank. So I'm getting way off.

0:44:31: I mean first bodega The Bodega dates back to 1846.

0:44:37: That's pretty similar store. So I don't know I was I was definitely thinking recently about how a lot of stuff in Atlanta is closing and being replaced by chain stores. And like how weird is it? How weird is the chain store itself? Like there aren't really for most of history there have been shops but chains have only been around for about when shops you would just go to the front counter, tell them what you want and they would go back and get the stores right you didn't like shop around Well. But but it's just I'm just saying that through most of the history of stores existing there have not been chain stores. It's like an aber I think it's an aberration sort of like major record labels. Like there weren't major record labels before like 1967 or something like that and they kind of aren't as many now really.

0:45:34: It's just the fact yeah some of them we'll see how trippy is this episode for you.

0:45:46: 0-5. Where do you want to go?

0:45:49: I'm gonna go two.

0:45:56: You know I usually I always think of my score beforehand before the guest says it, I was thinking 2.5 and then I was like I was in the middle of the road but I was like yeah but the sitcom me I'm can I I think I'm just going to change it for once and go down to your to and agree with you with that. You've you've convinced me to delete half a point interesting.

0:46:20: Yeah. It's not that trippy like thoughts. No, if if if even one person, if you read someone's thought their thoughts and they were just like then then it would go up to like three. But I mean if you really want to hear someone's thought you'd be getting James Joyce's ulysses you know? Yeah, you'd be getting those parts of the Clockwork Orange Book. You couldn't get through right. That's actually the the idea of that actually being a real thing.

0:46:49: Like actually be able to read people's actual thoughts is actually extremely terrifying because you would find out at least someone you would find out something you didn't want to know and probably most people Yes, very scary. It's not like what women want, what would you get like in this? Obviously he's getting full sentences sometimes being talked to but would you need to get a mix of concepts of words? Maybe a bit of imagery, emotions would wouldn't you need all of those components and possibly more to actually read someone's thought like just hearing like words really wouldn't do it.

0:47:28: I don't know I mean some people yeah, some people don't really think in words at all. They're certainly not sentences. I think most people probably don't think in sentences but here I am guessing how people think again. So I could be wrong. Well, one of the scariest things of all is the recent news on the internet that some people don't have an internal monologue.

0:47:49: I've dropped a fair amount of my internal monologue.

0:47:52: What I don't I don't internal monologue that much anymore.

0:47:56: You can just stop doing it.

0:47:59: Yeah, that's that's why people get into meditation man.

0:48:03: Mm hmm.

0:48:05: But yeah, I don't know. That is terrifying. That is terrifying to me. Like you go read somebody's mind, there's nothing there. That's pretty scary. Well, the whole point is then you start noticing everything else, right?

0:48:17: I already do that. Okay. But then you're having an internal dialogue about it. So the whole point just notice it and not have to internal monologue at the same time. It's like having 18 browser tabs open. Not not as we, you know, not to analyze what you're seeing as we do every week on time enough podcast which could be found by the way I assume you didn't. Okay. I just explained the segway. So you know, you did a really good job and then you completely shot in the face. I did. I shot it right in the face and you I don't want to say that you can shoot us in the face metaphorically on twitter at a time and a podcast time of pot on twitter and facebook, that's a much worse Segway you can shoot tweets in her face that almost works okay.

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0:49:43: Are you, are you doing regular chats on the discord?

0:49:50: That's correct. Sure I'll play because you just brought up that, that's a different discord just to be really confusing. But if you would like to come and chat here and there, that is. Um, many of our guests are from mission log and and many of my fans are on the mission log or listeners, maybe your fan too, but on the mission log discord and I do a chat every other monday morning about the two preceding episodes and of course tangents are as friendly as they are in the actual episodes we do. So which is sunday night in the United States or sunday afternoon. Oh, that's right, that's right. Sorry. Yeah. Thinking about thinking about myself there. If you live in japan is monday morning. Okay, move to Japan. So it could be monday morning.

0:50:33: There we go. Okay, so, uh anyway, yes, I, we're trying to have more, you know, like interactions with you, the listener and we're, and they're starting to actually happen. So that's pretty cool. Hey, sometimes I'll be there to radio. Are you up to anything? It is November 28 today.

0:50:55: Thanksgiving. Is that actual thanksgiving? No, that's a, that's a monday. So you just keep eating thanksgiving. You're, you, you're eating the leftovers.

0:51:07: Leftovers. I'm not a turkey fan.

0:51:10: I like it if it's prepared well and I hate it if it's not okay as it dries out. So, but you know, I haven't had a thanksgiving me on 12 plus years because America is the only place where that is really a holiday. What a shocker.

0:51:27: You don't give thanks for the time that, that everyone in Japan slaughtered a bunch of natives and took their land kind of did that up in Hokkaido, but they didn't make a holiday for it. So there's that, once you go to china and then celebrate Japanese occupation november 20 but hey, I will shout that out. Um, just if someone doesn't want to go into a little bit of a knowledge dump that maybe they didn't know about the uh, the, I knew people, I mean there are still, I knew in Hokkaido, it's like, you know, it's like how first nation folks, I guess they're in parts of the state still, but they have like their own distinctive, they got their own language. Like their art style is very interesting. So um, yeah, Yeah. I knew culture in Hokkaido that if you want to learn something about japan that is not, I guess world famous. That's, that's a very interesting one to dive into.

0:52:21: Cool. I looked, I typed in Hokkaido. I knew and it gave me a shiba. He knew, but you know, you can, you can finesse that search a little bit.

0:52:34: Okay. You know such dog flip a coin, tell me what you get powers.